Meanwhile, In Syria

[QuantumTokoloshi]

scherzkeks said:

Excellent summary, and good riddance.

https://gefira.org/en/2016/12/22/russia-did-it-the...

Let's hope Trump can keep them out of his cabinet.

[Budflicker]

This doesn't really fit with the narrative that we've been force fed of late by the UK media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4066330/Hu...

Phil, could you explain why people are now returning to their homes and attempting to rebuild their lives now that the butcher Assad is back in control of the area, surely he is going to barrel bomb them isn't he?

[davepoth]

Jimboka said:

The ex ambassador says what a lot of people here were saying from the outset . How could our government get it so wrong & continue to do so?
Looks like we backed the wrong side..

Because it looked like saying nasty things about the incumbent despot was a sound tactic (Libya) compared to a full scale invasion (Iraq).

We made our bed early on, and as soon as Obama's red line was crossed we had no chance of flip-flopping - we couldn't go to war on the same side as a war criminal. Even though the moderate opposition evaporated quickly (I'd be willing to be a substantial proportion of it is now in Europe somewhere) we still had to keep up the pretense that it was viable, because otherwise we'd have no option but to admit Russia were right.

[anonymous-user]

Budflicker said:

This doesn't really fit with the narrative that we've been force fed of late by the UK media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4066330/Hu...

Phil, could you explain why people are now returning to their homes and attempting to rebuild their lives now that the butcher Assad is back in control of the area, surely he is going to barrel bomb them isn't he?

The truth of all this mess will come out but I'm sure even that will be suppressed.
Aleppo was being held by what turned out to be a bunch of nutters hell bent on turning the whole of Syria into a bloodbath, Assad is the only one capable of bringing leadership and peace and we were hoodwinked by the Liberals into believing the opposite. We basically funded and supplied ISIS by another name.

[Transmitter Man]

Budflicker said:

This doesn't really fit with the narrative that we've been force fed of late by the UK media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4066330/Hu...

Phil, could you explain why people are now returning to their homes and attempting to rebuild their lives now that the butcher Assad is back in control of the area, surely he is going to barrel bomb them isn't he?

I was unaware they had. Most had fled either to pro Assad west Aleppo (where their reception would be questionable) or to Idlib province most of which is made up of Sunni Arab towns and villages and another stronghold of anti Assad feeling. Opposition fighters of all flavours are currently their in force and are being barrel bombed as we speak. 65% of the Syrian capitals water comes from the area and the pumping station has already been damaged with the roof caving in from bombing.

SAA (what's left of it) Iranian backed military's including Hezbollah are closing in on this area.

I hope this has at least partially answered your question. I'd like to show the 14 civilians including women & children that died from the Idlib barrel bombing but the images are not suitable for PH.

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Tuesday 27th December 12:02

[anonymous-user]

There are a lot of results on a Google search for Return To Aleppo.
We still won't know for sure though, and no doubt it will be the Assad barrel bomb brigade v the rebel mass murders and torture tribe for a while.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

Budflicker said:

This doesn't really fit with the narrative that we've been force fed of late by the UK media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4066330/Hu...

Phil, could you explain why people are now returning to their homes and attempting to rebuild their lives now that the butcher Assad is back in control of the area, surely he is going to barrel bomb them isn't he?

I was unaware they had. Most had fled either to pro Assad west Aleppo (where their reception would be questionable) or to Idlib province most of which is made up of Sunni Arab towns and villages and another stronghold of anti Assad feeling. Opposition fighters of all flavours are currently their in force and are being barrel bombed as we speak. 65% of the Syrian capitals water comes from the area and the pumping station has already been damaged with the roof caving in from bombing.

SAA (what's left of it) Iranian backed military's including Hezbollah are closing in on this area.

I hope this has at least partially answered your question. I'd like to show the 14 civilians including women & children that died from the Idlib barrel bombing but the images are not suitable for PH.

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Tuesday 27th December 12:02

The mass graves being found in Aleppo, filled by the "moderately Islamic fundamentalists" in Aleppo, with torture and mutilation victims, are just the kind of groups to ensure Syria's stability, with their well known liberal attitudes to other religions, homosexuality, females etc.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

And how is a "barrel bomb" any different from any other unguided air dropped munition?

How is the assault on Mosul going, or Yemen? Where is the outrage for those civilians being killed ? Do they not matter or is it only Assad that is the problem ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-mosul-camp...

http://www.salon.com/2016/09/02/despite-10000-civi...

[anonymous-user]

^ agreed there chap. It's completely out of proportion, Assads barrel bombing is used to excuse almost anything the 'moderate' nutter bds want to do to innocents - Assad wanted to avoid civilian casualties, they didn't.

[Driller]

Transmitter Man said:

Opposition fighters of all flavours are currently their in force and are being barrel bombed as we speak

That's it for me. This guy is either a simple troll, has a propagandist agenda or both.

[Budflicker]

Transmitter Man said:

Budflicker said:

This doesn't really fit with the narrative that we've been force fed of late by the UK media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4066330/Hu...

Phil, could you explain why people are now returning to their homes and attempting to rebuild their lives now that the butcher Assad is back in control of the area, surely he is going to barrel bomb them isn't he?

I was unaware they had. Most had fled either to pro Assad west Aleppo (where their reception would be questionable) or to Idlib province most of which is made up of Sunni Arab towns and villages and another stronghold of anti Assad feeling. Opposition fighters of all flavours are currently their in force and are being barrel bombed as we speak. 65% of the Syrian capitals water comes from the area and the pumping station has already been damaged with the roof caving in from bombing.

SAA (what's left of it) Iranian backed military's including Hezbollah are closing in on this area.

I hope this has at least partially answered your question. I'd like to show the 14 civilians including women & children that died from the Idlib barrel bombing but the images are not suitable for PH.

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Tuesday 27th December 12:02

Mmmmmm, amazing how two people can see the same situation from such different perspectives.

[anonymous-user]

Transmitter Man said:

Budflicker said:

This doesn't really fit with the narrative that we've been force fed of late by the UK media

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4066330/Hu...

Phil, could you explain why people are now returning to their homes and attempting to rebuild their lives now that the butcher Assad is back in control of the area, surely he is going to barrel bomb them isn't he?

I was unaware they had.

You've been enlightened then

[pim]

Do we believe anything what the main media SKY for example dishes out 24/7

I don't, it is all to predictable we are the goodies and Russians and Syrian troops are the baddies.

Reminds me of the cowboy and Indian story.Not many of them Native Americans left after they where slaughtered by the peaceful Europeans.

[anonymous-user]

pim said:

I don't, it is all to predictable we are the goodies and Russians and Syrian troops are the baddies.

It's possibly the reverse, but we comittted so had continue and now the main news channels have to swamp us with info without even having a reporter there and no reliable witnesses.

One thing though - why hasn't Russia pushed the 'truth' to discredit western media?? Or have they and we haven't seen it?

[davepoth]

V6Pushfit said:

It's possibly the reverse, but we comittted so had continue and now the main news channels have to swamp us with info without even having a reporter there and no reliable witnesses.

One thing though - why hasn't Russia pushed the 'truth' to discredit western media?? Or have they and we haven't seen it?

https://www.rt.com/news/371965-erdogan-us-coalition-isis/
https://www.rt.com/news/371939-iran-defense-minist...
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/371955-defense-act-syri...
https://www.rt.com/news/371975-syria-presents-chil...

More are available. Our media reject these stories because they don't fit the narrative. That may seem like a problem, and it is - but the problem for the media is that if they provide conflicting reports it makes them look incompetent. So they pick a truth and stick with it.

[Steve vRS]

davepoth said:

https://www.rt.com/news/371965-erdogan-us-coalitio...
https://www.rt.com/news/371939-iran-defense-minist...
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/371955-defense-act-syri...
https://www.rt.com/news/371975-syria-presents-chil...

More are available. Our media reject these stories because they don't fit the narrative. That may seem like a problem, and it is - but the problem for the media is that if they provide conflicting reports it makes them look incompetent. So they pick a truth and stick with it.

Not sure I trust a state run media outlet to be impartial.

[anonymous-user]

Steve vRS said:

Not sure I trust a state run media outlet to be impartial.

Totally agree.

[AreOut]

take the sensible parts from both sources and make your own narrative, however you make it will be closer to truth than both

[qska]

Raygun said:

Totally agree.

Yes. The state sponsored BBC is not to be trusted

[johnxjsc1985]

qska said:

Yes. The state sponsored BBC is not to be trusted

it was once the most trusted News Broadcaster in the World now somehow it has become Politicised and cannot be trusted.

[Driller]

Absolutely.