Meanwhile, In Syria

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mickytruelove

420 posts

112 months

Wednesday 5th April 2017
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syrian observatory for human rights sounds very grand until you realise its a guy sitting in his living room on the phone to rebels.

scherzkeks

4,460 posts

135 months

Wednesday 5th April 2017
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BlackLabel said:
I agree that the timing here is very suspicious - Assad is winning and this attack comes just days after the Americans stated that 'removing Assad is no longer a priority'.


Edited by scherzkeks on Thursday 6th April 10:07

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Wednesday 5th April 2017
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Russia's explanation seems rather far fetched.


U.S. dismisses Russian assertion rebels to blame for Syria gas attack

Reuters said:
U.S. intelligence officials, based on a preliminary assessment, said the deaths were most likely caused by sarin nerve gas dropped by Syrian aircraft on the town of Khan Sheikhoun on Tuesday. A senior state department official said Washington had not yet ascertained it was sarin.

Moscow offered an alternative explanation that would shield Assad: that the poison gas belonged to rebels and had leaked from an insurgent weapons depot hit by Syrian bombs.

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

97 months

Wednesday 5th April 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Russia's explanation seems rather far fetched.


U.S. dismisses Russian assertion rebels to blame for Syria gas attack

Reuters said:
U.S. intelligence officials, based on a preliminary assessment, said the deaths were most likely caused by sarin nerve gas dropped by Syrian aircraft on the town of Khan Sheikhoun on Tuesday. A senior state department official said Washington had not yet ascertained it was sarin.

Moscow offered an alternative explanation that would shield Assad: that the poison gas belonged to rebels and had leaked from an insurgent weapons depot hit by Syrian bombs.
Actually as far as I am concerned the Russian version is by far the most credible yet. The terrorists are known to have chem weapons. They are known to have used them as false flags and they are known to be trying to manufacture them as well.

It seems once again they have achieved their aims and the stupid braindead west are lapping it up and blaming Assad who had absolutely 1 billion percent no reason to carry out a chemical attack.
He has repeatedly shown himself to be considerate of human life contrary to what the Western media and Governments will have us believe.

He set up pathways to get people out of Allepo numerous times however the so called friendly rebels would shoot at anyone who tried to leave. In the end he achieved his goal and got them all out. Oddly as he pointed out he would target rebels positions and bomb and shoot them. The rebels however would simply indiscriminately lob grenades etc into the Government held part of Aleppo killing and injuring civilians not military personnel.

Of course the MSM and Western Government chose to ignore this little factoid. Rebels bombing civilians doesnt make for a good storyline when you are trying to present the so called friendly rebels aka terrorists as the good guys.

Unfortunately now Trump is taking the same stupid decision as everyone else and believing the moronic media and his stupid advisers and is talking of taking action which no doubt will lead to a conflict between the US and Russia who have stated they side with Assad. One of the main reasons I wanted Trump to win was unlike Hillary he seemed to want to stay well clear of interfering in Syria and the ME.

fksakes


traxx

3,143 posts

223 months

Wednesday 5th April 2017
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If you look at it logically, why would Assad possibly use Chemical weapons?
He is winning the war and the "West" are even on the point of accepting him staying on as leader

It just doesn't make any sense that he would risk his position now

mickytruelove

420 posts

112 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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hmm CNN does not seem to have worked you pair.. repeat after me. Russia bad, america good.

But yeah i see things the same way. As for the white helmets , more like raging purple helmets.

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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I see the usual people making excuses for Assad and Russia.

Occam's razor is to be applied here; Assad did it.

It is absurd to ask where is the proof. Who else could have done it? The claim that bombs blew up and spread rebel gas stores has been debunked. Assad and Russia have no credible story.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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People on PH know better than our intelligence services.

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

97 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Zod said:
I see the usual people making excuses for Assad and Russia.

Occam's razor is to be applied here; Assad did it.

It is absurd to ask where is the proof. Who else could have done it? The claim that bombs blew up and spread rebel gas stores has been debunked. Assad and Russia have no credible story.
Who else could have done it? Are you serious? The rebels aka terrorists are known to have carried out chemical attacks. They are known to have overrun military bases where chemicals could have been stored.

No worries keep believing the bullst from the media fed to them by the terrorists and a chap in his bedroom in London.

As ever ignore the blatantly obvious question.

Why would Assad use chemical weapons on civilians which he knows is a huge no no when he is winning and is gaining support from the western media and governments?

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

97 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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La Liga said:
People on PH know better than our intelligence services.
It has nothing to do with our intelligence services they know jack diddly squat about what actually happened. Even if they did I can guarantee the Gov will spin it as being done by Assad as it suits their narrative. I know how our government works.

I have seen the lies they tell. The official secrets act is a wonderful way for them to hide the truth.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
It has nothing to do with our intelligence services they know jack diddly squat about what actually happened.
You are, in the most obvious way possible, in no position to say what they do and do not know.

frankenstein12 said:
Even if they did I can guarantee the Gov will spin it as being done by Assad as it suits their narrative.
You can't guarantee anything of the sort.

frankenstein12 said:
I know how our government works.
And evidently the intelligence services. Quite the repertoire.

MrNoisy

530 posts

142 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Oh my goodness, what a bunch of glue sniffers post on here atm

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Looking at these last couple of pages of this thread looks more like one of them cranky 9/11 conspiracy websites than a car forum.
Assad is a murdering toerag who's not to be trusted. Some on here would give him the Nobel Peace Prize.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Raygun said:
Looking at these last couple of pages of this thread looks more like one of them cranky 9/11 conspiracy websites than a car forum.
Assad is a murdering toerag who's not to be trusted. Some on here would give him the Nobel Peace Prize.
Funny you should mention the Nobel peace prize, would that include Barack "I love drone attacks" Obama or the ever popular White "we luv Jihadi propaganda" Helmets? Or would a lying murdering toerag also extend to Blair in Afghanistan and Iraq or perhaps Cameron in Libya ?

There is a common theme to these attacks, the speed at which it is attributed to the Assad government and the remarkably complete narrative available at short notice.

The south Ghouta attack was attributed to Assad along with a complete narrative and remarkably accurate casualty list, within hours! Could not possibly been pre-prepared, oh no. It was just excellent reporting, without reporters even being in the country or even in the wonderfully liberal moderately fundamentalist areas, where Kuffar reporters tend to end up dead.

This time again, quickly attributed to Assad, without any substantive evidence beyond readily available emotive pictures and the "Allah U Akbar" taqiyaa eyewitness accounts. A speciality of the white helmets.

Both these events fortuitously timed to do maximum propaganda damage to Assad and Putin. How coincidently convenient.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 6th April 07:59

PRTVR

7,119 posts

222 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
Raygun said:
Looking at these last couple of pages of this thread looks more like one of them cranky 9/11 conspiracy websites than a car forum.
Assad is a murdering toerag who's not to be trusted. Some on here would give him the Nobel Peace Prize.
Funny you should mention Nobel peace prize, would that include Barack "I love drone attacks" Obama or the ever popular White "we luv Jihadi propaganda" Helmets?

There is a common theme to these attacks, the speed at which it is attributed to the Assad government and the remarkably complete narrative available at short notice.

The south ghouta attack was attributed to Assad along with a remarkably accurate casualty list, within hours! Could not possibly been prepared, oh no. It was just excellent reporting, without reporters even being in the country.

This time again, quickly attributed to Assad, without any substantive evidence beyond readily available emotive pictures and the " Allah U Akbar" taqiyaa eyewitness accounts. A speciality of the white helmets.

Both these events fortuitously timed to do maximum propaganda damage to Assad. How coincidently convenient.
Exactly , what is to be gained by Assad when he is winning, why use a weapon that will bring world wide condemnation that has limited tactical advantage, it makes no sense.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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La Liga said:
People on PH know better than our intelligence services.
Iraqi WMD anyone? Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case. Libya, and the bright shining future after Gaddafi. Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case too.


Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 6th April 08:05

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
Zod said:
I see the usual people making excuses for Assad and Russia.

Occam's razor is to be applied here; Assad did it.

It is absurd to ask where is the proof. Who else could have done it? The claim that bombs blew up and spread rebel gas stores has been debunked. Assad and Russia have no credible story.
Who else could have done it? Are you serious? The rebels aka terrorists are known to have carried out chemical attacks. They are known to have overrun military bases where chemicals could have been stored.

No worries keep believing the bullst from the media fed to them by the terrorists and a chap in his bedroom in London.

As ever ignore the blatantly obvious question.

Why would Assad use chemical weapons on civilians which he knows is a huge no no when he is winning and is gaining support from the western media and governments?
no, knaves or fools like you raise this "obvious question" to excuse Assad. The real question is why wouldn't he when he knows he will get away with it, thanks to Russian protection.

Where ischief knave scherzkeks by the way? I expect he's buzzing away in a corner wondering how to deal with the Trump admistration's (but not Trump's) accusation of Assad and complaint against Russia.

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
La Liga said:
People on PH know better than our intelligence services.
Iraqi WMD anyone? Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case. Libya, and the bright shining future after Gaddafi. Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case too.


Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 6th April 08:05
Knave resorting to the standard "whatabout" tactic.

PRTVR

7,119 posts

222 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Zod said:
o, knaves or fools like you raise this "obvious question" to excuse Assad. The real question is why wouldn't he when he knows he will get away with it, thanks to Russian protection.
Get away with it ? World wide condemnation, even trump against him , for what gain ?

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

218 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Zod said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
La Liga said:
People on PH know better than our intelligence services.
Iraqi WMD anyone? Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case. Libya, and the bright shining future after Gaddafi. Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case too.


Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 6th April 08:05
Knave resorting to the standard "whatabout" tactic.
t'rather knave than mooncalf. (ye olde pistonheads.)