Meanwhile, In Syria

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Yipper

5,964 posts

91 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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War or semi-war in Syria for the US, UK, France and others looks like it is just days or weeks away...

johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

165 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Yipper said:
War or semi-war in Syria for the US, UK, France and others looks like it is just days or weeks away...
Russia saying their support for Assad is not unconditional and that's about as close to an admission of his guilt as you are going to get.
Time to ground his Airforce.

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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scherzkeks said:
Great interview with Ron Paul. Why is this guy not president? frown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&amp...
He didn't stand because not enough people would vote for him.

CAPP0

19,597 posts

204 months

Thursday 6th April 2017
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Yipper said:
War or semi-war in Syria for the US, UK, France and others looks like it is just days or weeks away...
BBC Washington correspondent says it's a certainty and that we may even wake up in the morning to news of the first strikes.

5ohmustang

2,755 posts

116 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Unfortunately when he did run for president in 2008 there were a lot more asleep people than now. As history has shown the sheeple fell for hope and change.

His son Rand is one of the few honest people left in D.C.

Since you're one of the few left on here that is awake, I was going to point you in the direction of the Liberty Report, however you already found it.

Cold

15,250 posts

91 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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CAPP0 said:
Yipper said:
War or semi-war in Syria for the US, UK, France and others looks like it is just days or weeks away...
BBC Washington correspondent says it's a certainty and that we may even wake up in the morning to news of the first strikes.
AFP news agency is stating that 70 US tomahawks have been launched towards Syrian targets including Shayrat airbase.

jsc15

981 posts

209 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Cold said:
AFP news agency is stating that 70 US tomahawks have been launched towards Syrian targets including Shayrat airbase.
Nice knowing you all. Fun while it lasted

200bhp

5,663 posts

220 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Well that'll go down well if he hits any Russian military gear.

Cold

15,250 posts

91 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Even though Russia's deputy U.N. envoy, Vladimir Safronkov warned that there could be "negative consequences" about an attack on Syria, Trump did contact Putin to let him know that the missiles were on their way.

anonymous-user

55 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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It's certainly a worrying development.
We are living in a time of so much disinformation and of revelations about the actions of the Americans. That coupled with the coincidence of the American statement that they were not prioritising the removal of Assad, then the chemical attack, now the about-turn, just leaves us wondering whether this strike is just or is a mistake.

jonnyb

2,590 posts

253 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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I do find humans strange sometimes. If Assad had carpet bombed the place no one would have lifted a finger, there would have just been a shrug of the shoulders. But in using gas everyone is up in arms.
So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

97 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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That and the fact Assad has been blamed without evidence. I note the comments from the so called friendly rebels that they hope this is just the start of a new campaign to remove Assad and that they launched immediate attacks in the aftermath of the rocket strikes.

QuantumTokoloshi

4,164 posts

218 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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jonnyb said:
I do find humans strange sometimes. If Assad had carpet bombed the place no one would have lifted a finger, there would have just been a shrug of the shoulders. But in using gas everyone is up in arms.
So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
This exactly.

2 weeks ago, speaking to a colleague, I mentioned "Trump needs a TV War" preferably including Russia. Wag the dog style. Here we have it.

Double win for him, distraction from domestic political issues and bad press. He gets to show he is tough on Russia, after his administration's issues with Russian connections.

This is an ideal little incident, gets some video of missiles being launched, US military might in action, suitable stirring music and "team America F*ck yea, coming to save the mother'ucking world" on the TV.

He telegraphs the attack to Russia and by extension Assad, so damage is limited. He looks tough and Assad survives.

I hope this is where it stays. Entire justification for action is false but then reality TV is not about reality, it is about created perception.

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

97 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
jonnyb said:
I do find humans strange sometimes. If Assad had carpet bombed the place no one would have lifted a finger, there would have just been a shrug of the shoulders. But in using gas everyone is up in arms.
So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
This exactly.

2 weeks ago, speaking to a colleague, I mentioned "Trump needs a TV War" preferably including Russia. Wag the dog style. Here we have it.

Double win for him, distraction from domestic political issues and bad press. He gets to show he is tough on Russia, after his administration's issues with Russian connections.

This is an ideal little incident, gets some video of missiles being launched, US military might in action, suitable stirring music and "team America F*ck yea, coming to save the mother'ucking world" on the TV.

He telegraphs the attack to Russia and by extension Assad, so damage is limited. He looks tough and Assad survives.

I hope this is where it stays. Entire justification for action is false but then reality TV is not about reality, it is about created perception.
But but but Trump would never retaliate because you know... Russia..

Digga

40,349 posts

284 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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frankenstein12 said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
jonnyb said:
I do find humans strange sometimes. If Assad had carpet bombed the place no one would have lifted a finger, there would have just been a shrug of the shoulders. But in using gas everyone is up in arms.
So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
This exactly.

2 weeks ago, speaking to a colleague, I mentioned "Trump needs a TV War" preferably including Russia. Wag the dog style. Here we have it.

Double win for him, distraction from domestic political issues and bad press. He gets to show he is tough on Russia, after his administration's issues with Russian connections.

This is an ideal little incident, gets some video of missiles being launched, US military might in action, suitable stirring music and "team America F*ck yea, coming to save the mother'ucking world" on the TV.

He telegraphs the attack to Russia and by extension Assad, so damage is limited. He looks tough and Assad survives.

I hope this is where it stays. Entire justification for action is false but then reality TV is not about reality, it is about created perception.
But but but Trump would never retaliate because you know... Russia..
I just wish there was a button we could press to unfk the world. Innocent people being bombed in their own country, their own homes, is just barbaric. So last century it's not true. We're utterly backward.

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

124 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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On LBC Sir Michael Fallon, our Defence Secretary, just said that Iraq 'should be the blueprint for a new Syria' without Assad. Yes IRAQ!

Yesterday Boris said that there should be no action against Syria without involving the UN. Today our government came out in support of America's actions.

Do these guys just make st up as they go along?

Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 7th April 09:17

frankenstein12

1,915 posts

97 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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BlackLabel said:
On LBC Sir Michael Fallon, our Defence Secretary, just said that Iraq 'should be the blueprint for a new Syria' without Assad. Yes IRAQ!

Yesterday Boris said that there should be no action against Syria without involving the UN. Today our government came out in support of America's actions.

Do these guys just make st up as they go along?

Edited by BlackLabel on Friday 7th April 09:17
Yes.

Globs

13,841 posts

232 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Do these guys just make st up as they go along?
I think they do.
Assad crossed a MAJOR red line: He was winning, and had to be stopped.
Before most conferences on Syria there's a chemical attack blamed on Assad.

No motive for Assad, but the 'rebels' (our tame terrorists) benefit 100%.
Remember Assad has no chemical weapons as we forced him to destroy them all after the last 'attack'.

No evidence of Sarin either, could have been Chlorine, but why sabotage your own victory?
The (obvious) result of this gas 'attack' is the US - a week after saying Assad can stay - demanding that Assad goes, illegally bombing an airfield used to fight ISIS followed swiftly by ISIS gaining ground and a few notches closer to war with Russia.

These predictable results were also based on rumour, no proof of anything, just the 'humanitarian' excuse they needed - while was added by Bill Clinton to the UNSC rules to allow the smashing up the middle east.

I also note that when 500+ children were murdered by the Israelis in Gaza - some in UN shelters - there wasn't a single sanction, no airfields were bombed, no calls for Bibi to go, not even a harsh word. So obviously 70 convenient Syrian kids (that we've been murdering with our 'rebel' proxy' are far more valuable than 500 Palestinians. The double standard is quite disturbing.

Anyone who thinks Assad was responsible is a retard or warmonger.

Amateurish

7,754 posts

223 months

Friday 7th April 2017
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Taking these proposals to the Security Council is just for show - China and Russia will never agree to use of force against Assad.