Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Nobody is brave enough to say it, but of course we need Assad to remain in place.
Without a good Dictator in place, the country will go to pot and it'll sporn the likes of another ISIS. Dictators help to keep the Minions in check. As much as the chemical attack was terrible, he was simply saying a big Oh no you don't to a potential threat to his leadership.
All this is just posturing of course - I wonder if Trump gave Assad a heads up before launching the fireworks? It wouldn't surprise me.
Without a good Dictator in place, the country will go to pot and it'll sporn the likes of another ISIS. Dictators help to keep the Minions in check. As much as the chemical attack was terrible, he was simply saying a big Oh no you don't to a potential threat to his leadership.
All this is just posturing of course - I wonder if Trump gave Assad a heads up before launching the fireworks? It wouldn't surprise me.
Dr Doofenshmirtz said:
All this is just posturing of course - I wonder if Trump gave Assad a heads up before launching the fireworks? It wouldn't surprise me.
He did not need to, he told Putin and Co, in the interest of international peace, of course.I would not be surprised if there were few or no aircraft, on the airfield at the time. The death toll does seem quite low for a functioning airfield, hit by 15 Tomahawks "unexpectedly."
Hayek said:
He has some odd views on drugs and religion, but on the EU and Russia, he is very knowledgeable and insightful. Some of his talks about Russia on youtube I have posted before. Well worth watching.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 7th April 10:38
Globs said:
I think they do.
Assad crossed a MAJOR red line: He was winning, and had to be stopped.
Before most conferences on Syria there's a chemical attack blamed on Assad.
No motive for Assad, but the 'rebels' (our tame terrorists) benefit 100%.
Remember Assad has no chemical weapons as we forced him to destroy them all after the last 'attack'.
No evidence of Sarin either, could have been Chlorine, but why sabotage your own victory?
The (obvious) result of this gas 'attack' is the US - a week after saying Assad can stay - demanding that Assad goes, illegally bombing an airfield used to fight ISIS followed swiftly by ISIS gaining ground and a few notches closer to war with Russia.
These predictable results were also based on rumour, no proof of anything, just the 'humanitarian' excuse they needed - while was added by Bill Clinton to the UNSC rules to allow the smashing up the middle east.
I also note that when 500+ children were murdered by the Israelis in Gaza - some in UN shelters - there wasn't a single sanction, no airfields were bombed, no calls for Bibi to go, not even a harsh word. So obviously 70 convenient Syrian kids (that we've been murdering with our 'rebel' proxy' are far more valuable than 500 Palestinians. The double standard is quite disturbing.
Anyone who thinks Assad was responsible is a retard or warmonger.
Thanks for spelling out what the hard of thinking amongst us seem to struggle with.Assad crossed a MAJOR red line: He was winning, and had to be stopped.
Before most conferences on Syria there's a chemical attack blamed on Assad.
No motive for Assad, but the 'rebels' (our tame terrorists) benefit 100%.
Remember Assad has no chemical weapons as we forced him to destroy them all after the last 'attack'.
No evidence of Sarin either, could have been Chlorine, but why sabotage your own victory?
The (obvious) result of this gas 'attack' is the US - a week after saying Assad can stay - demanding that Assad goes, illegally bombing an airfield used to fight ISIS followed swiftly by ISIS gaining ground and a few notches closer to war with Russia.
These predictable results were also based on rumour, no proof of anything, just the 'humanitarian' excuse they needed - while was added by Bill Clinton to the UNSC rules to allow the smashing up the middle east.
I also note that when 500+ children were murdered by the Israelis in Gaza - some in UN shelters - there wasn't a single sanction, no airfields were bombed, no calls for Bibi to go, not even a harsh word. So obviously 70 convenient Syrian kids (that we've been murdering with our 'rebel' proxy' are far more valuable than 500 Palestinians. The double standard is quite disturbing.
Anyone who thinks Assad was responsible is a retard or warmonger.
Tonberry said:
Thanks for spelling out what the hard of thinking amongst us seem to struggle with.
There are plenty of people incapable of critical thinking and only to happy to gobble down the swill that the mainstream media machine feeds them, unfortunately.Just imagine how much more prosperous and safe our economies and societies in the West could be if we didn't get involved in endlessly waging war around the World, and throwing money to the bankers.
But hey, there's always money for things like banks and wars, it's only when money is needed for useless stuff like healthcare, public infrastructure or education that we're told the piggy bank is empty.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Hayek said:
He has some odd views on drugs and religion, but on the EU and Russia, he is very knowledgeable and insightful. Some of his talks about Russia on youtube I have posted before. Well worth watching.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 7th April 10:38
ker who, last week, asserted that we need to return to the Imperial system of weights and measures because Metric was the product of Napoleonic hegemony and was therefore an ideologically unsound system to use, not only that it's unpoetic. Yes, poetry must be deployed in weighing and measuring things in an ideologically sound manner. Missing completely the meaning of the word 'Imperial'.He has nothing useful to say on anything.
SilverSixer said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Hayek said:
He has some odd views on drugs and religion, but on the EU and Russia, he is very knowledgeable and insightful. Some of his talks about Russia on youtube I have posted before. Well worth watching.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 7th April 10:38
ker who, last week, asserted that we need to return to the Imperial system of weights and measures because Metric was the product of Napoleonic hegemony and was therefore an ideologically unsound system to use, not only that it's unpoetic. Yes, poetry must be deployed in weighing and measuring things in an ideologically sound manner. Missing completely the meaning of the word 'Imperial'.He has nothing useful to say on anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeO44STvnJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNeDtZmpjU
Mmmm
As someone says in the comments section....
"So a suspected IS operative, whose criminal trial collapsed because of a technicality, is one of the witnesses relied upon by the US and UK to justify the decision to bomb Assad troops. "
mail said:
UK-trained doctor hailed a hero for treating gas attack victims in Syria stood trial on terror offences ‘and belonged to the group that kidnapped British reporter John Cantlie’
https://t.co/9xxNp4plky#article-4388780As someone says in the comments section....
"So a suspected IS operative, whose criminal trial collapsed because of a technicality, is one of the witnesses relied upon by the US and UK to justify the decision to bomb Assad troops. "
QuantumTokoloshi said:
SilverSixer said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Hayek said:
He has some odd views on drugs and religion, but on the EU and Russia, he is very knowledgeable and insightful. Some of his talks about Russia on youtube I have posted before. Well worth watching.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 7th April 10:38
ker who, last week, asserted that we need to return to the Imperial system of weights and measures because Metric was the product of Napoleonic hegemony and was therefore an ideologically unsound system to use, not only that it's unpoetic. Yes, poetry must be deployed in weighing and measuring things in an ideologically sound manner. Missing completely the meaning of the word 'Imperial'.He has nothing useful to say on anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeO44STvnJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNeDtZmpjU
jonnyb said:
I do find humans strange sometimes. If Assad had carpet bombed the place no one would have lifted a finger, there would have just been a shrug of the shoulders. But in using gas everyone is up in arms.
So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
both are bad but chemical attacks are worse, it's torture So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
jonnyb said:
I do find humans strange sometimes. If Assad had carpet bombed the place no one would have lifted a finger, there would have just been a shrug of the shoulders. But in using gas everyone is up in arms.
So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
This exactly. So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
2 weeks ago, speaking to a colleague, I mentioned "Trump needs a TV War" preferably including Russia. Wag the dog style. Here we have it.
Double win for him, distraction from domestic political issues and bad press. He gets to show he is tough on Russia, after his administration's issues with Russian connections.
This is an ideal little incident, gets some video of missiles being launched, US military might in action, suitable stirring music and "team America F*ck yea, coming to save the mother'ucking world" on the TV.
He telegraphs the attack to Russia and by extension Assad, so damage is limited. He looks tough and Assad survives.
I hope this is where it stays. Entire justification for action is false but then reality TV is not about reality, it is about created perception.
Burwood said:
scherzkeks said:
Great interview with Ron Paul. Why is this guy not president? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
He's too old https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
jonnyb said:
I do find humans strange sometimes. If Assad had carpet bombed the place no one would have lifted a finger, there would have just been a shrug of the shoulders. But in using gas everyone is up in arms.
So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
It shows the supremacy of the Western media and the underlying intelligence apparatus that can sometimes pull its strings.So it's not the killing of innocent women and children that seems to be the issue, but the type of death they endure.
Sometimes I feel like crying at our idiocy.
US kills ~250 civilians in Syraq in the past 3 weeks... nobody raises a fuss... Assad kills ~100 by gas... war breaks out...
This is a classic "pump and dump" by the West... like WMD in Iraq and Taliban after 911... Pump up a "line in the sand" event... and then dump a bunch of weapons on their head... Assad, like Saddam, will now become a victim of America and Russia's jostling for global military dominance (the US will probably win).
frankenstein12 said:
La Liga said:
frankenstein12 said:
No you misinterpret what I am saying. I am not saying I now better than the security services or claiming to know what they know. All I am saying is that you really really should not trust what the media or government tell you about world events.
I didn't misinterpret anything. You literally wrote: frankenstein12 said:
It has nothing to do with our intelligence services they know jack diddly squat about what actually happened.
If you're now saying you mean you just what is contained in the first quote, then fair enough. I agree to some extent, but it applies equally that one shouldn't dismiss information just because it's from the state.In this case I see no logical reason to believe the Government and therefore the press..
SilverSixer said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
SilverSixer said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Hayek said:
He has some odd views on drugs and religion, but on the EU and Russia, he is very knowledgeable and insightful. Some of his talks about Russia on youtube I have posted before. Well worth watching.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 7th April 10:38
ker who, last week, asserted that we need to return to the Imperial system of weights and measures because Metric was the product of Napoleonic hegemony and was therefore an ideologically unsound system to use, not only that it's unpoetic. Yes, poetry must be deployed in weighing and measuring things in an ideologically sound manner. Missing completely the meaning of the word 'Imperial'.He has nothing useful to say on anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeO44STvnJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNeDtZmpjU
He can be a real old fuddy duddy, but he does so in impeccable English!
I suspect the metric 'essay' (I admit to simply scanning rather than reading in depth) may have been as much for fun as in any seriousness.
However, as his brother, in the 1960s he declared himself a Trotskyist and probably still to this day feels some shame in that, though he freely and honestly admits his own guilt and error.
I'm sure you are quite aware of his ten years as a Moscow correspondent...
Trotsky may well have appealed more to those who had a somewhat jaded view of Stalinist Russia, which in all fairness had been seen for what it was by some (Orwell and others) for many years, but still felt the need to cling to their fundamental Marxist ideology. Of course the general release of Solzhenitsyn's first novel to the west in '63 would be putting the final nails in Stalin's coffin, and for those that read his later works 'correctly', into Lenin's coffin as well.
I really would, to stay more on topic, pay some attention to Hitchens. I generally find that being in full agreement with him can be difficult, but I don't think the man has an agenda based upon lies or the spreading of misinformation.
I believe he draws a lot of his views/information on Syria from Patrick Cockburn.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
SilverSixer said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
SilverSixer said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Hayek said:
He has some odd views on drugs and religion, but on the EU and Russia, he is very knowledgeable and insightful. Some of his talks about Russia on youtube I have posted before. Well worth watching.Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Friday 7th April 10:38
ker who, last week, asserted that we need to return to the Imperial system of weights and measures because Metric was the product of Napoleonic hegemony and was therefore an ideologically unsound system to use, not only that it's unpoetic. Yes, poetry must be deployed in weighing and measuring things in an ideologically sound manner. Missing completely the meaning of the word 'Imperial'.He has nothing useful to say on anything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeO44STvnJw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CNeDtZmpjU
He can be a real old fuddy duddy, but he does so in impeccable English!
I suspect the metric 'essay' (I admit to simply scanning rather than reading in depth) may have been as much for fun as in any seriousness.
However, as his brother, in the 1960s he declared himself a Trotskyist and probably still to this day feels some shame in that, though he freely and honestly admits his own guilt and error.
I'm sure you are quite aware of his ten years as a Moscow correspondent...
Trotsky may well have appealed more to those who had a somewhat jaded view of Stalinist Russia, which in all fairness had been seen for what it was by some (Orwell and others) for many years, but still felt the need to cling to their fundamental Marxist ideology. Of course the general release of Solzhenitsyn's first novel to the west in '63 would be putting the final nails in Stalin's coffin, and for those that read his later works 'correctly', into Lenin's coffin as well.
I really would, to stay more on topic, pay some attention to Hitchens. I generally find that being in full agreement with him can be difficult, but I don't think the man has an agenda based upon lies or the spreading of misinformation.
I believe he draws a lot of his views/information on Syria from Patrick Cockburn.
If you want to read an excellent and thoroughly amusing account of life as a correspondent in Moscow, have a go at the book "Moscow, Moscow" by Christopher Hope. He was one of my favourites until he went all Billy Brexit recently................but his writing about Moscow has me in stitches.
Setting aside who dropped what and when, what is without doubt is that scenes like these are utterly heart-breaking.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-395138...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-395138...
SilverSixer said:
10 years in Moscow may or may not be significant to someone's understanding of the place. Having spent much time myself in Moscow (and Leningrad), western migrants often live in a bubble and fail to integrate with society. It's a whirlwind of Embassy parties and ex-pat (sorry, migrant) networks. But, as I said, I'll give these suggested videos a whirl over the weekend. You never know, they may win me over.
If you want to read an excellent and thoroughly amusing account of life as a correspondent in Moscow, have a go at the book "Moscow, Moscow" by Christopher Hope. He was one of my favourites until he went all Billy Brexit recently................but his writing about Moscow has me in stitches.
One of my oldest friends spent a little time there representing his civil engineering company, so I got some feeling for that.If you want to read an excellent and thoroughly amusing account of life as a correspondent in Moscow, have a go at the book "Moscow, Moscow" by Christopher Hope. He was one of my favourites until he went all Billy Brexit recently................but his writing about Moscow has me in stitches.
Modern Russia holds some interest, so thanks I will look that book up.
In the midst of journeying through A.S.'s Gulag Archipelago just now, about half way through the third volume, so will be looking for something soon.
Russia/Ukraine, it's as complicated historically as the middle east, and no mistaking it.
Back on topic; I really am not trusting this whole situation, one way or the other. I was really hoping that Trump would stick to his non-interventionist policy on this.
Goaty Bill 2 said:
SilverSixer said:
10 years in Moscow may or may not be significant to someone's understanding of the place. Having spent much time myself in Moscow (and Leningrad), western migrants often live in a bubble and fail to integrate with society. It's a whirlwind of Embassy parties and ex-pat (sorry, migrant) networks. But, as I said, I'll give these suggested videos a whirl over the weekend. You never know, they may win me over.
If you want to read an excellent and thoroughly amusing account of life as a correspondent in Moscow, have a go at the book "Moscow, Moscow" by Christopher Hope. He was one of my favourites until he went all Billy Brexit recently................but his writing about Moscow has me in stitches.
One of my oldest friends spent a little time there representing his civil engineering company, so I got some feeling for that.If you want to read an excellent and thoroughly amusing account of life as a correspondent in Moscow, have a go at the book "Moscow, Moscow" by Christopher Hope. He was one of my favourites until he went all Billy Brexit recently................but his writing about Moscow has me in stitches.
Modern Russia holds some interest, so thanks I will look that book up.
In the midst of journeying through A.S.'s Gulag Archipelago just now, about half way through the third volume, so will be looking for something soon.
Russia/Ukraine, it's as complicated historically as the middle east, and no mistaking it.
Back on topic; I really am not trusting this whole situation, one way or the other. I was really hoping that Trump would stick to his non-interventionist policy on this.
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