Meanwhile, In Syria

[zygalski]

Scuffers said:

Might be just me, but if you look at the film/pictures of this hospital, does it really look like it was subjected to an (US) air attack?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34432471

all the walls are still standing, and the interiors on fire, so what exactly are the US planes dropping that's small enough not to blow the buildings apart?

anybody got any thoughts on this?

Happy bombs?

[AreOut]

Transmitter Man said:

Whatever you're happy with.

Phil

that's very generous from you

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Scuffers said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Adam Ansel said:

It looks like the Russian bomb of choice in Syria is the OFAB 250-270 (O?A? 250- 270), a thick cased High Explosive Fragmentation bomb.
This is a dumb weapon with no guidance.

In contrast the alliance are using 100% smart weapons. In the case of the RAF this is Brimstone, which cost £105,000 each of our money.
The Americans like their JDAM smart bombs which come in various sizes and which the IDF use lots of to kill Gaza women and children.

These smart weapons work well then, such smart super accurate, high tech bombs, hitting MSF hospitals ? And this is only in the last few days, never mind the last 10 years of operations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afg...

They are only collateral damage, not like they are the terrible civilian casualties the Russians bombs cause.

Might be just me, but if you look at the film/pictures of this hospital, does it really look like it was subjected to an (US) air attack?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34432471

all the walls are still standing, and the interiors on fire, so what exactly are the US planes dropping that's small enough not to blow the buildings apart?

anybody got any thoughts on this?

There has been a lot of development on smaller weapons, more accuracy means less explosive needed. It might have been a phosphorus type weapon as well.

[Scuffers]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

There has been a lot of development on smaller weapons, more accuracy means less explosive needed. It might have been a phosphorus type weapon as well.

Quite apart from being banned, the US do not have such a munition for the planes they're using.

Israel have micro missiles, but they are not launched from FA18s etc.

Look, my point is the damage looks way too localized and small, like grenade/mortar damage or the like.

I could well be wrong, but something just does not look right.

[ben_h100]

Scuffers said:

Quite apart from being banned, the US do not have such a munition for the planes they're using.

Israel have micro missiles, but they are not launched from FA18s etc.

Look, my point is the damage looks way too localized and small, like grenade/mortar damage or the like.

I could well be wrong, but something just does not look right.

AC-130 munitions perhaps...?

[Scuffers]

ben_h100 said:

AC-130 munitions perhaps...?

Possible, but are the yanks using them in Syria?

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Scuffers said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

There has been a lot of development on smaller weapons, more accuracy means less explosive needed. It might have been a phosphorus type weapon as well.

Quite apart from being banned, the US do not have such a munition for the planes they're using.

Israel have micro missiles, but they are not launched from FA18s etc.

Look, my point is the damage looks way too localized and small, like grenade/mortar damage or the like.

I could well be wrong, but something just does not look right.

Phosphorous is not banned, it can be used for illumination or smoke, the Israelis are very fond of illuminating civilian areas in Gaza with artillery.

The US small diameter bomb maybe a candidate or a fuel air weapon, this MSF hospital was in Afghanistan.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Sunday 4th October 19:46

[ben_h100]

Scuffers said:

ben_h100 said:

AC-130 munitions perhaps...?

Possible, but are the yanks using them in Syria?

No idea, the guys above were talking about Kunduz, Afghanistan.

[Scuffers]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Phosphorous is not banned, it can be used for illumination or smoke, the Israelis are very fond of illuminating civilian areas in Gaza with artillery.

The US small diameter bomb maybe a candidate or a fuel air weapon, this MSF hospital was in Afghanistan.

And there you have it, you just said it yourself, artillery...

As for a fuel air weapon, you any idea what carnage they leave behind?, they don't call them daisycutters for nothing.

Look, much as the yanks can be trigger happy cowboys, if they did bomb this hospital, it would be pretty obvious by now...

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Scuffers said:

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Phosphorous is not banned, it can be used for illumination or smoke, the Israelis are very fond of illuminating civilian areas in Gaza with artillery.

The US small diameter bomb maybe a candidate or a fuel air weapon, this MSF hospital was in Afghanistan.

And there you have it, you just said it yourself, artillery...

As for a fuel air weapon, you any idea what carnage they leave behind?, they don't call them daisycutters for nothing.

Look, much as the yanks can be trigger happy cowboys, if they did bomb this hospital, it would be pretty obvious by now...

We would have heard the US / ISAF military PR machine clicking into high gear already on this. They have not, so I would put my money on it being a ISAF airstrike. Thankfully, using high tech weapons which give a better quality civilian injury, than those low tech Russian weapons.

You have to ask, how are the Russians able to target an established hardened Command and Control bunker? I thought the US had been bombing in Raqqa for years now? Odd. You do wonder if all those secondary explosions had "made in the USA" on them.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-03/russia-cl...

The Russian pilots must be the luckiest pilots in the world, as they do not have all the high tech weaponry, but still hit the bunker dead on.

[Scuffers]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-03/russia-cl...

The Russian pilots must be the luckiest pilots in the world, as they do not have all the high tech weaponry, but still hit the bunker dead on.

yes, the only question is who's bunker it was in he first place..

Russians are calling everybody in the region ISIS...

(that's not to say I am excusing the rest of us for being pathetic and complicit)

[Neonblau]

Scuffers said:

And there you have it, you just said it yourself, artillery...

As for a fuel air weapon, you any idea what carnage they leave behind?, they don't call them daisycutters for nothing.

Look, much as the yanks can be trigger happy cowboys, if they did bomb this hospital, it would be pretty obvious by now...

In fact they don't call them daisycutters at all.

The daisycutter is a large, conventional bomb used originally for clearing jungle in Vietnam. Its use in Afghanistan was more for effect - shock and awe if you like - and as an anti personnel weapon. It can't be dropped from standard fighter bombers and needs its own variant of the C-130. It also hasn't been used for some years.

Fuel air bombs (FAEs or thermobaric weapons) are completely different but are often erroneously referred to as daisycutters. The Russians currently lead development of such ordnance. The UN believes the Assad regime used FAEs on its own population in 2013.

[Scuffers]

Neonblau said:

In fact they don't call them daisycutters at all.

The daisycutter is a large, conventional bomb used originally for clearing jungle in Vietnam. Its use in Afghanistan was more for effect - shock and awe if you like - and as an anti personnel weapon. It can't be dropped from standard fighter bombers and needs its own variant of the C-130. It also hasn't been used for some years.

so their use in Afghanistan is not that recent then? (certainly more recent than Vietnam!)

[Neonblau]

Scuffers said:

so their use in Afghanistan is not that recent then? (certainly more recent than Vietnam!)

Work computer so access to some sites is blocked but I think the last use in Afghanistan was around 2008/9. After that I assume there were no large enough targets to make its use worthwhile.

[Scuffers]

Neonblau said:

Scuffers said:

so their use in Afghanistan is not that recent then? (certainly more recent than Vietnam!)

Work computer so access to some sites is blocked but I think the last use in Afghanistan was around 2008/9. After that I assume there were no large enough targets to make its use worthwhile.

not so much that as replaced with MOAB.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Neonblau said:

Scuffers said:

And there you have it, you just said it yourself, artillery...

As for a fuel air weapon, you any idea what carnage they leave behind?, they don't call them daisycutters for nothing.

Look, much as the yanks can be trigger happy cowboys, if they did bomb this hospital, it would be pretty obvious by now...

In fact they don't call them daisycutters at all.

The daisycutter is a large, conventional bomb used originally for clearing jungle in Vietnam. Its use in Afghanistan was more for effect - shock and awe if you like - and as an anti personnel weapon. It can't be dropped from standard fighter bombers and needs its own variant of the C-130. It also hasn't been used for some years.

Fuel air bombs (FAEs or thermobaric weapons) are completely different but are often erroneously referred to as daisycutters. The Russians currently lead development of such ordnance. The UN believes the Assad regime used FAEs on its own population in 2013.

MOAB is your daisycutter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43/B_Massive_Ord...

FAE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon.

[Transmitter Man]

So far Bellingcat has identified 3 Russian MoD airstrike videos as falsely claiming to hit ISIS, having the wrong locations, or both.

https://www.bellingcat.com/

Phil

[DMN]

Transmitter Man said:

So far Bellingcat has identified 3 Russian MoD airstrike videos as falsely claiming to hit ISIS, having the wrong locations, or both.

https://www.bellingcat.com/

Phil

Who cares so long as the sun is shinning:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/05/perfe...

[Transmitter Man]

Anyone any idea what type munitions these are being dropped by the Su24, starts at around 10 seconds into the video?

https://youtu.be/zQOM0ZXKJmo

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Monday 5th October 15:45

[cirian75]

some kind of fragmenting air burst bomb, purely anti-personnel.