Meanwhile, In Syria

[davepoth]

janesmith1950 said:

When you say it's all about people who aren't muslims being attacked for not being muslim, what do you say to the muslims being slaughtered by ISIS in the Middle East?

I'd say to them that ISIS don't consider them to be true Muslims, which would probably be rubbing salt into the wound.

[Cobnapint]

janesmith1950 said:

When you say it's all about people who aren't muslims being attacked for not being muslim, what do you say to the muslims being slaughtered by ISIS in the Middle East?

What he said.....^

[iphonedyou]

jeff666 said:

You do realize that Snorky is LoonR1 ? banned a while ago for being a knob.


Not sure why the Mods keep letting banned posters return.

I knew I recognised him. Thanks.

[skyrover]

snorky782 said:

skyrover said:

Simply not true...

Here is a list of all terrorist acts carried out so far this year broken down by month. Notice any common themes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

My mistake, I didn't realise we were only allowed to count this month

That is a list of every month this year... clearly you didn't bother to read them

[snorky782]

skyrover said:

That is a list of every month this year... clearly you didn't bother to read them

I didn't, I'm not limiting discussion over religious atrocities to this year only. Recent history shows plenty more.

The CAR piece is going largely unreported, ditto the stuff in India.

[irocfan]

snorky782 said:

Nobody has ever said that

Let's try this for you:

All ISIS terrorists are Muslim. Not all Muslims are ISIS terrorists

Now let's try some other things:

All IRA terrorists were Catholics. Not all Catholics were IRA terrorists

All members of ETA are Basque. Not all basques are members of ETA

All member of the EDL are white. Not all white people are members of the EDL

All cognac is brandy, not all brandy is cognac.

It's quite simple really.

well let's pick a pedant hole here... in (virtually) every case you've mentioned 'all' it should be 'most'

HTH

[snorky782]

irocfan said:

snorky782 said:

Nobody has ever said that

Let's try this for you:

All ISIS terrorists are Muslim. Not all Muslims are ISIS terrorists

Now let's try some other things:

All IRA terrorists were Catholics. Not all Catholics were IRA terrorists

All members of ETA are Basque. Not all basques are members of ETA

All member of the EDL are white. Not all white people are members of the EDL

All cognac is brandy, not all brandy is cognac.

It's quite simple really.

.


well let's pick a pedant hole here... in (virtually) every case you've mentioned 'all' it should be 'most'

HTH

I presume you mean the first "all" in each phrase, not the second. Ok, swap all for most and see if it alters the message.

Wow, guess what? It doesn't

Edited by snorky782 on Thursday 28th July 16:19

[scherzkeks]

snorky782 said:

skyrover said:

That is a list of every month this year... clearly you didn't bother to read them

I didn't, I'm not limiting discussion over religious atrocities to this year only. Recent history shows plenty more.

The CAR piece is going largely unreported, ditto the stuff in India.

It really doesn't have much to do with religion anyways, that is simply the vehicle.

Now ask our resident non-critical thinkers why ISIS has a field day recruiting young muslim men. What could possibly be motivating these individuals in such number?

Don't let this beautiful thread die. There is so much untapped comedic potential.

[anonymous-user]

davepoth said:

janesmith1950 said:

When you say it's all about people who aren't muslims being attacked for not being muslim, what do you say to the muslims being slaughtered by ISIS in the Middle East?

I'd say to them that ISIS don't consider them to be true Muslims, which would probably be rubbing salt into the wound.

Illustrating why the concept of it being an Islamic problem is flawed. If Muslims attack other Muslims because they're the wrong sort of Muslim, it can't be an issue caused by being Islamic. It's an issue with a bunch of fking idiots who happen to be Muslim.

Edited by janesmith1950 on Thursday 28th July 15:14

[skyrover]

snorky782 said:

skyrover said:

That is a list of every month this year... clearly you didn't bother to read them

I didn't, I'm not limiting discussion over religious atrocities to this year only. Recent history shows plenty more.

The CAR piece is going largely unreported, ditto the stuff in India.

Okay... how about 2015?

January–June 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

July–December 2015

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

Or 2014?

January–June 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

July–December 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_in...

The same trends... over and over, regardless of how you try to spin it.

If you feel they have missed any out, feel free to contribute.

[snorky782]

I'm not spending time clicking links.

I know there are a load of atrocities carried out by ISIS and Al Qaeda and other factions. I've never denied that.

What I am saying is that NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS. That's simple fact seems to be passing you and many others by. Others have commented since. Read their posts. They are right. This is being carried out by a bunch of idiots hiding behind religion. That part of the whole clusterfk is actually quite simple to say and should be similarly simple to grasp.

Can we get back to Syria please and stop having this endless argument, where a few of you try to shout me down for daring to have a different opinion.

[Sam All]

snorky782 said:

What I am saying is that NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS. .

AGREED.

So were the terrorist ones born as terrorists - what happened to them? Did religion have any part to play?

[snorky782]

Sam All said:

snorky782 said:

What I am saying is that NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS. .

AGREED.

So were the terrorist ones born as terrorists - what happened to them? Did religion have any part to play?

I have no idea. ISIS proclaim themselves as true Muslims and use that to convert naive idiots into doing their dirty work for them. However, that practice has been going on for centuries. Most Muslims aren't seeing this idiotic claim as true and will ignore it. They don't believe it is their problem.

Just as I don't see it as my problem that a bunch of nutjobs are running around parts of Africa and India killing In the name of Christianity. I see no reason to come out and condemn them, as they aren't Christians and I'm damn sure the Church of England and the Pope and other Christian leaders see no need to as well. If they do, it legitimises their terrorist actions by default and connects them to a faith that does not recognise them.

[skyrover]

snorky782 said:

I have no idea. ISIS proclaim themselves as true Muslims and use that to convert naive idiots into doing their dirty work for them. However, that practice has been going on for centuries. Most Muslims aren't seeing this idiotic claim as true and will ignore it. They don't believe it is their problem.

Just as I don't see it as my problem that a bunch of nutjobs are running around parts of Africa and India killing In the name of Christianity. I see no reason to come out and condemn them, as they aren't Christians and I'm damn sure the Church of England and the Pope and other Christian leaders see no need to as well. If they do, it legitimises their terrorist actions by default and connects them to a faith that does not recognise them.

But as I have just mentioned... almost 99% of terrorist incidents across the world are carried out in the name of Islam.

Why?

You can't compare it to any other religious/political "terrorism" because either it does not exist, or it's scale is so small in comparison as to be statistically insignificant.

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 28th July 18:00

[snorky782]

skyrover said:

But as I have just mentioned... almost 99% of terrorist incidents across the world are carried out in the name of Islam.

Why?

You can't compare it to any other religious/political "terrorism" because either it does not exist, or it's scale is so small in comparison as to be statistically insignificant.

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 28th July 18:00

So what? 20, 30, 40 years ago it was someone else doing it for some other reason. Just because some claims to do something in the name of Islam does not make it Islamic.

That Munich nutter claimed to be shooting foreigners as he was German. Does that mean it was done in the name of Germany?

Tbh, this thread is going to get locked because you lot are just going to bang on and on and on about every Muslim and the whole of Islam being terrorists and a religion of terror, which is simply wrong. You won't listen to reason and effectively are just different sides of the same coin with your extreme views.

I'd rather discuss Syria. Russia and the Syrian forces seem to have agreed to let innocents escape form Aleppo. I guess you'd rather they were all shot, which is why we'll never agree.

[skyrover]

snorky782 said:

Tbh, this thread is going to get locked because you lot are just going to bang on and on and on about every Muslim and the whole of Islam being terrorists and a religion of terror, which is simply wrong. You won't listen to reason and effectively are just different sides of the same coin with your extreme views.

A total misrepresentation.

The facts are the facts. Muslims are people like anyone else, largely with a similar good/bad cross section as the rest of society. The problem lies in Mohammed's message, which is fundamentally aggressive and intolerant. This can not be denied.

The choice lies with the interpreter and the blame largely on the teachers... mosques, schools etc. How absolutely do you really want to implement the Quran's message?

This is the reason why you have second and third generation, educated and wealthy descendants of immigrants running off to join groups like ISIS. When you are encouraged by the people whom you respect the most... teacher, friends and family and believe you are doing the "right thing", it can be a powerful factor in even the most benevolent individuals judgement.

Edited by skyrover on Thursday 28th July 18:19

[Sam All]

skyrover said:

The choice lies with the interpreter and the blame largely on the teachers... mosques, schools etc

This is the reason why you have second and third generation, educated and wealthy descendants of immigrants running off to join groups like ISIS. When you are encouraged by the people whom you respect the most... teacher, friends and family and believe you are doing the "right thing", it can be a powerful factor in even the most benevolent individuals judgement.

No such thing as a Muslim child, but a child to Muslim parents. Progressive parents are less bothered about outdated concepts such as religion.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

The newly moderate Al Nusra / Al Qaeda are changing their name! To get away from the nasty association with Al Qaeda. Nothing like a rebranding to cement your moderate, only slight beheading, minimalist religious torture credentials.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/l...

Are they people's front of Judea or the Judean peoples front?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 28th July 18:33

[scherzkeks]

Sam All said:

snorky782 said:

What I am saying is that NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS. .

AGREED.

So were the terrorist ones born as terrorists - what happened to them? Did religion have any part to play?

Possibly. Other things also contribute.

[skyrover]

scherzkeks said:

Sam All said:

snorky782 said:

What I am saying is that NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS. .

AGREED.

So were the terrorist ones born as terrorists - what happened to them? Did religion have any part to play?

Possibly. Other things also contribute.

Nigeria?
Thailand?
Indonesia?
Philippines?
Russia?
China?
India?
Bangladesh?