Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Zod said:
Touchy little civil servant, aren't you, frankenstein?
If you had any real knowledge, you would be in big trouble even for hinting on here that you knew what was going on.
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.If you had any real knowledge, you would be in big trouble even for hinting on here that you knew what was going on.
Edited by Zod on Thursday 6th April 16:27
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Four Litre said:
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Not saying you are necessarily wrong (and I have called Zod out before on his rather haughty tone) but he has been here for 14 years. May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Four Litre said:
Zod said:
Touchy little civil servant, aren't you, frankenstein?
If you had any real knowledge, you would be in big trouble even for hinting on here that you knew what was going on.
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.If you had any real knowledge, you would be in big trouble even for hinting on here that you knew what was going on.
Edited by Zod on Thursday 6th April 16:27
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
What really ruins this place is the number of people in threads like this with their internet loon "West bad, MSM bad" mindset.
Legend83 said:
Four Litre said:
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Not saying you are necessarily wrong (and I have called Zod out before on his rather haughty tone) but he has been here for 14 years. May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Four Litre said:
Legend83 said:
Four Litre said:
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Not saying you are necessarily wrong (and I have called Zod out before on his rather haughty tone) but he has been here for 14 years. May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Burwood said:
Four Litre said:
Legend83 said:
Four Litre said:
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Not saying you are necessarily wrong (and I have called Zod out before on his rather haughty tone) but he has been here for 14 years. May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Four Litre said:
Legend83 said:
Four Litre said:
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Not saying you are necessarily wrong (and I have called Zod out before on his rather haughty tone) but he has been here for 14 years. May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Fingers crossed.
Zod said:
Four Litre said:
Legend83 said:
Four Litre said:
Its people like you Zod who really ruin this place. It used to be a good place to be before people like you came along doing all you can to try and belittle people and generally behave like a tough guy in every thread, which I can almost guarantee your not.
May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Not saying you are necessarily wrong (and I have called Zod out before on his rather haughty tone) but he has been here for 14 years. May be wise to keep your snide comments to yourself or seriously think about joining another forum?
Zod said:
Touchy little civil servant, aren't you, frankenstein?
If you had any real knowledge, you would be in big trouble even for hinting on here that you knew what was going on.
I haven't said I know whats going on in Syria only that I wouldn't trust the Governments narrative on this.If you had any real knowledge, you would be in big trouble even for hinting on here that you knew what was going on.
Edited by Zod on Thursday 6th April 16:27
IanH755 said:
He's pointing out that Western intelligence services have a well documented history of getting it very badly wrong where the Middle East is concerned and he is therefore asking "why should we believe them this time when they have been proven to be wrong so many times before", which seems like a very sensible way of thinking nowadays considering Military Force may be being considered in response.
That's the nature of intelligence. More often than not there's uncertainty and a great variance in lack of quality, reliability and corroboration. The intelligence agencies aren't definitively saying it's him, they're saying the evidences indicates it is from what I have read.
No one here is in a position to say they're wrong. No one knows what information they have.
frankenstein12 said:
No I am saying there is no way the intelligence service can or will know whether this was Assad or not. They wont have anyone on the ground.
Are you privy to all the intelligence coming from Syria? Each country's information streams and assets? Which high-tech methods are being used? The back-channels? Etc etc. I doubt anyone is, so why do you keep saying things you can't know as if they're fact?
As Zod has alluded to, I somewhat doubt you're that well positioned to make such conclusions with any weight, would post about them on the internet an then also state the Government would lie to the public about them...
La Liga said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
La Liga said:
People on PH know better than our intelligence services.
Iraqi WMD anyone? Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case. Libya, and the bright shining future after Gaddafi. Guess the "intelligence services" knew better in that case too. That's like trying to prove aeroplane travel is dangerous because on rare occasions they crash.
frankenstein12 said:
La Liga said:
frankenstein12 said:
It has nothing to do with our intelligence services they know jack diddly squat about what actually happened.
You are, in the most obvious way possible, in no position to say what they do and do not know. frankenstein12 said:
Even if they did I can guarantee the Gov will spin it as being done by Assad as it suits their narrative.
You can't guarantee anything of the sort. frankenstein12 said:
I know how our government works.
And evidently the intelligence services. Quite the repertoire. What you and others are saying is you know better than our intelligence services.
La Liga said:
IanH755 said:
He's pointing out that Western intelligence services have a well documented history of getting it very badly wrong where the Middle East is concerned and he is therefore asking "why should we believe them this time when they have been proven to be wrong so many times before", which seems like a very sensible way of thinking nowadays considering Military Force may be being considered in response.
That's the nature of intelligence. More often than not there's uncertainty and a great variance in lack of quality, reliability and corroboration. The intelligence agencies aren't definitively saying it's him, they're saying the evidences indicates it is from what I have read.
No one here is in a position to say they're wrong. No one knows what information they have.
frankenstein12 said:
No I am saying there is no way the intelligence service can or will know whether this was Assad or not. They wont have anyone on the ground.
Are you privy to all the intelligence coming from Syria? Each country's information streams and assets? Which high-tech methods are being used? The back-channels? Etc etc. I doubt anyone is, so why do you keep saying things you can't know as if they're fact?
As Zod has alluded to, I somewhat doubt you're that well positioned to make such conclusions with any weight, would post about them on the internet an then also state the Government would lie to the public about them...
frankenstein12 said:
No you misinterpret what I am saying. I am not saying I now better than the security services or claiming to know what they know. All I am saying is that you really really should not trust what the media or government tell you about world events.
You are the one who raised your work in Government as backing for your statements.frankenstein12 said:
No you misinterpret what I am saying. I am not saying I now better than the security services or claiming to know what they know. All I am saying is that you really really should not trust what the media or government tell you about world events.
I didn't misinterpret anything. You literally wrote: frankenstein12 said:
It has nothing to do with our intelligence services they know jack diddly squat about what actually happened.
If you're now saying you mean you just what is contained in the first quote, then fair enough. I agree to some extent, but it applies equally that one shouldn't dismiss information just because it's from the state. La Liga said:
frankenstein12 said:
No you misinterpret what I am saying. I am not saying I now better than the security services or claiming to know what they know. All I am saying is that you really really should not trust what the media or government tell you about world events.
I didn't misinterpret anything. You literally wrote: frankenstein12 said:
It has nothing to do with our intelligence services they know jack diddly squat about what actually happened.
If you're now saying you mean you just what is contained in the first quote, then fair enough. I agree to some extent, but it applies equally that one shouldn't dismiss information just because it's from the state.In this case I see no logical reason to believe the Government and therefore the press..
Great interview with Ron Paul. Why is this guy not president? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
Transmitter Man said:
scherzkeks said:
It isn't even fresh. The events in Ukraine and the proxy war in Syria are related, both are efforts to neuter Russia and its remaining satellites and to expand US influence. It's another dot on the PNAC roadmap.
The endgame is a unipolar world. Should Russia be absorbed or go down, China is next, as it is the only member of the breakaway BRIC block that could challenge the United States and its vassals (which, laughably, now includes Montenegro). The flaw in all of this is, of course, that this path leads to destruction of all the major players, as neither Russia or China is going to roll over.
How was Obama part of your theory during his 8 years?The endgame is a unipolar world. Should Russia be absorbed or go down, China is next, as it is the only member of the breakaway BRIC block that could challenge the United States and its vassals (which, laughably, now includes Montenegro). The flaw in all of this is, of course, that this path leads to destruction of all the major players, as neither Russia or China is going to roll over.
Phil
scherzkeks said:
Great interview with Ron Paul. Why is this guy not president?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
He's too old https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
scherzkeks said:
Great interview with Ron Paul. Why is this guy not president?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
No interview with Ron Paul is great, the man is a crank.https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=87&...
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