Japan Fukushima nuclear thread
Discussion
Digby said:
Solution a massive dome on it ASAP to contain then deal with the problem Why risk anything
Digby said:
What a load of pish; all six could be melting down as far as the clown writing that nonsense is concerned.hidetheelephants said:
Digby said:
What a load of pish; all six could be melting down as far as the clown writing that nonsense is concerned.
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hidetheelephants said:
Digby said:
What a load of pish; all six could be melting down as far as the clown writing that nonsense is concerned.http://www.theecologist.org/News/news_round_up/221...
Tepco have apparently confirmed the story, but have not been able to gain access to find out what's happening.
Interestingly enough, at the present time [as of posting now] that url
http://www.occupycorporatism.com/tepco-quietly-adm...
is code 404...
http://www.occupycorporatism.com/tepco-quietly-adm...
is code 404...
Mojocvh said:
Interestingly enough, at the present time [as of posting now] that url
http://www.occupycorporatism.com/tepco-quietly-adm...
is code 404...
Still working for me? The same story is all over the web mind you.http://www.occupycorporatism.com/tepco-quietly-adm...
is code 404...
There are even links you can translate from Tepco's own web page relating to it all.
hidetheelephants said:
Content-free wibbling from hand-wringers; I can find no mention of any of this on credible sources. Concern status: having a cup of tea and a biscuit.
Translated from the Tepco web page:"At around 7:00 am on December 27, and confirmed by the camera that from Unit 3 reactor building, 5th floor near the center, steam is generated"
It lists a few other leaks etc picked up on their patrols, too.Makes for some interesting reading.But then you can take any such reports and turn them around to make it appear that the world is about to end.
A balanced view on the impending catastrophe:
http://ex-skf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/ot-is-this-le...
If you want to trust The Ecologist and Turner Radio Network (run incidentally by this interesting chap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner ) then by all means panic and get scared.
For a 'serious' media outlet, The Ecologist's reporting is a disgrace. Don't expect any apologies for their scaremongering analysis when it turns out to be a non-event.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/ot-is-this-le...
If you want to trust The Ecologist and Turner Radio Network (run incidentally by this interesting chap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner ) then by all means panic and get scared.
For a 'serious' media outlet, The Ecologist's reporting is a disgrace. Don't expect any apologies for their scaremongering analysis when it turns out to be a non-event.
After a bit more digging I found this from TEPCO: (From July 2013!)
"Mechanism of steam generation
In addition to rainwater seeped in from a gap in the shield plug and warmed by the Containment Vessel head, there is an observable difference(3 m3/hr) between the amount of nitrogen gas being injected into the Reactor Pressure Vessel and Containment Vessel (16 m3/hr) and the amount of nitrogen gas being extracted (about 13 m3/hr), and it is possible that this gaseous body (3 m3/hr) containing enough water vapor is leaking through the Containment Vessel head. We presume that when the vapor leaks through the gap in the shield plug onto the 5th floor of the reactor building, it is chilled by the air which is relatively colder than the vapor, and is visualized as steam."
So an ongoing, fairly well understood event is transformed into global news articles that inspire panic and concern.
The real story is how that happens.
In this case it begins with Turner Radio Network (see above for the sort of people involved in this auspicious-sounding organisation) issuing a report "regarding Fukushima Diachi Nuclear Plant that is expected to affect the entire Northern Hemisphere." According to the report: “Persons residing on the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan.”
This is then picked up by the usual credulous anti-nuclear bloggers (and to their shame The Ecologist) and embellished with a few worst-case scenarios. With the weight of the serious and respectable Ecologist behind it, the story begins to get legs and is picked up by global media outlets, who repeat the worst-case scenarios, and add yet another layer of respectability.
Joe Public, naturally concerned that his reliable source of everyday news is telling him things are bad, logs in his subconscious another 'nuclear-is-bad' opinion, and gets on with his life as normal.
For the perpetrators of this scam, it's mission accomplished. An internet radio station gets publicity. The Ecologist gets another chance to sway public opinion. The bloggers and news outlets (and internet forums) have generated some cheap content to mollify their advertisers.
I'm going back to sleep.
"Mechanism of steam generation
In addition to rainwater seeped in from a gap in the shield plug and warmed by the Containment Vessel head, there is an observable difference(3 m3/hr) between the amount of nitrogen gas being injected into the Reactor Pressure Vessel and Containment Vessel (16 m3/hr) and the amount of nitrogen gas being extracted (about 13 m3/hr), and it is possible that this gaseous body (3 m3/hr) containing enough water vapor is leaking through the Containment Vessel head. We presume that when the vapor leaks through the gap in the shield plug onto the 5th floor of the reactor building, it is chilled by the air which is relatively colder than the vapor, and is visualized as steam."
So an ongoing, fairly well understood event is transformed into global news articles that inspire panic and concern.
The real story is how that happens.
In this case it begins with Turner Radio Network (see above for the sort of people involved in this auspicious-sounding organisation) issuing a report "regarding Fukushima Diachi Nuclear Plant that is expected to affect the entire Northern Hemisphere." According to the report: “Persons residing on the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan.”
This is then picked up by the usual credulous anti-nuclear bloggers (and to their shame The Ecologist) and embellished with a few worst-case scenarios. With the weight of the serious and respectable Ecologist behind it, the story begins to get legs and is picked up by global media outlets, who repeat the worst-case scenarios, and add yet another layer of respectability.
Joe Public, naturally concerned that his reliable source of everyday news is telling him things are bad, logs in his subconscious another 'nuclear-is-bad' opinion, and gets on with his life as normal.
For the perpetrators of this scam, it's mission accomplished. An internet radio station gets publicity. The Ecologist gets another chance to sway public opinion. The bloggers and news outlets (and internet forums) have generated some cheap content to mollify their advertisers.
I'm going back to sleep.
Nothing to get excited about, but Tepco are splitting Fukushima from the rest of the company.
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C-Tepco-set-to-r...
"From around April this year Tepco is to be reorganised into two main sections: A power generation business and a separate division dedicated to decommissioning the Fukushima Daiichi site.
Despite being named the 'Decommissioning Company', the new section is currently planned to remain within Tepco's overall corporate body, according to a schematic released by the firm. It will have three principal work areas: dismantling units 1, 2, 3 and 4; using units 5 and 6 as an international platform for developing techniques for that; and improving control of the contaminated water at the site."
Meanwhile the Russians are getting ready to start the world's most powerful new fast reactor:
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-Beloyarsk-4-c...
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/C-Tepco-set-to-r...
"From around April this year Tepco is to be reorganised into two main sections: A power generation business and a separate division dedicated to decommissioning the Fukushima Daiichi site.
Despite being named the 'Decommissioning Company', the new section is currently planned to remain within Tepco's overall corporate body, according to a schematic released by the firm. It will have three principal work areas: dismantling units 1, 2, 3 and 4; using units 5 and 6 as an international platform for developing techniques for that; and improving control of the contaminated water at the site."
Meanwhile the Russians are getting ready to start the world's most powerful new fast reactor:
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/NN-Beloyarsk-4-c...
Welshbeef said:
Solution a massive dome on it ASAP to contain then deal with the problem
Why risk anything
Possible, but easier said than done.Why risk anything
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25086097
otolith said:
Welshbeef said:
Solution a massive dome on it ASAP to contain then deal with the problem
Why risk anything
Possible, but easier said than done.Why risk anything
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25086097
Having said that, I'd also hope and expect that progress towards a comparable solution would be somewhat quicker than at Chernobyl.
MrCarPark said:
After a bit more digging I found this from TEPCO: (From July 2013!)
"Mechanism of steam generation
In addition to rainwater seeped in from a gap in the shield plug and warmed by the Containment Vessel head, there is an observable difference(3 m3/hr) between the amount of nitrogen gas being injected into the Reactor Pressure Vessel and Containment Vessel (16 m3/hr) and the amount of nitrogen gas being extracted (about 13 m3/hr), and it is possible that this gaseous body (3 m3/hr) containing enough water vapor is leaking through the Containment Vessel head. We presume that when the vapor leaks through the gap in the shield plug onto the 5th floor of the reactor building, it is chilled by the air which is relatively colder than the vapor, and is visualized as steam."
So an ongoing, fairly well understood event is transformed into global news articles that inspire panic and concern.
The real story is how that happens.
In this case it begins with Turner Radio Network (see above for the sort of people involved in this auspicious-sounding organisation) issuing a report "regarding Fukushima Diachi Nuclear Plant that is expected to affect the entire Northern Hemisphere." According to the report: “Persons residing on the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan.”
This is then picked up by the usual credulous anti-nuclear bloggers (and to their shame The Ecologist) and embellished with a few worst-case scenarios. With the weight of the serious and respectable Ecologist behind it, the story begins to get legs and is picked up by global media outlets, who repeat the worst-case scenarios, and add yet another layer of respectability.
Joe Public, naturally concerned that his reliable source of everyday news is telling him things are bad, logs in his subconscious another 'nuclear-is-bad' opinion, and gets on with his life as normal.
For the perpetrators of this scam, it's mission accomplished. An internet radio station gets publicity. The Ecologist gets another chance to sway public opinion. The bloggers and news outlets (and internet forums) have generated some cheap content to mollify their advertisers.
I'm going back to sleep.
One question. "Mechanism of steam generation
In addition to rainwater seeped in from a gap in the shield plug and warmed by the Containment Vessel head, there is an observable difference(3 m3/hr) between the amount of nitrogen gas being injected into the Reactor Pressure Vessel and Containment Vessel (16 m3/hr) and the amount of nitrogen gas being extracted (about 13 m3/hr), and it is possible that this gaseous body (3 m3/hr) containing enough water vapor is leaking through the Containment Vessel head. We presume that when the vapor leaks through the gap in the shield plug onto the 5th floor of the reactor building, it is chilled by the air which is relatively colder than the vapor, and is visualized as steam."
So an ongoing, fairly well understood event is transformed into global news articles that inspire panic and concern.
The real story is how that happens.
In this case it begins with Turner Radio Network (see above for the sort of people involved in this auspicious-sounding organisation) issuing a report "regarding Fukushima Diachi Nuclear Plant that is expected to affect the entire Northern Hemisphere." According to the report: “Persons residing on the west coast of North America should IMMEDIATELY begin preparing for another possible onslaught of dangerous atmospheric radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster site in Japan.”
This is then picked up by the usual credulous anti-nuclear bloggers (and to their shame The Ecologist) and embellished with a few worst-case scenarios. With the weight of the serious and respectable Ecologist behind it, the story begins to get legs and is picked up by global media outlets, who repeat the worst-case scenarios, and add yet another layer of respectability.
Joe Public, naturally concerned that his reliable source of everyday news is telling him things are bad, logs in his subconscious another 'nuclear-is-bad' opinion, and gets on with his life as normal.
For the perpetrators of this scam, it's mission accomplished. An internet radio station gets publicity. The Ecologist gets another chance to sway public opinion. The bloggers and news outlets (and internet forums) have generated some cheap content to mollify their advertisers.
I'm going back to sleep.
Is the "containment" vessel leaking or not?
Yes or No.
t either stays inside or it gets out.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff