Japan Fukushima nuclear thread
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It looks very cool 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgNwtepP-6M
Shows the shielding effect of the water too!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgNwtepP-6M
Shows the shielding effect of the water too!
Yes, not going well out there 
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Rumours of underground explosions and widespread fallout too, the story has still a long way to run. They haven't even located the corium that remained or left the building either yet - it's all gone a bit Pete Tong. Still spewing out radiation into the air and water too, Chernobyl was very very bad (the radiation killed trees there) but this will end up being worse IMO because the USSR dealt with the problem, whereas TEPCO is IMO 'f
king useless'.
The birds seem to be disappearing ( HERE ) but could be due to the inundations I guess. Many deformaties are reported however - something is playing hell with their DNA: http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3094958
The fallout is spreading too:
http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-radiation-spread...
Nothing on TV here, the Baftas are what we see, not the yesterday's news unfolding nuclear disaster overseen by a bunch of paranoid incompetent morons.
That has to be countered by the explosions in #1, #2, #3 and #4 reactor buildings though - it would not have been so bad if they had just melted down but the explosions have made containment impossible (although the bulk of the material in the used fuel pools was never contained) and meant that it's a real guessing game.
The Mayor doesn't seem very well either: http://enenews.com/mayor-fukushima-ive-lost-almost... (with hair loss and chronic nosebleeds). Not understood the nosebleeds thing but it seems widely reported ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fukushima+noseble...), it could be stress I guess.
Still if I was in New York I'd be more worried about Indian Point, an ageing reactor of the same design that Entergy ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Entergy+nuclear+l...) wants to run for a few extra decades beyond its design life.
Reminds me of a not-so-funny story I heard about solar flares - if we had a big enough one to knock out the grid for a while it's possible that many of the nuclear plants could not cool themselves and end up like #1 Daiichi.
.Rumours of underground explosions and widespread fallout too, the story has still a long way to run. They haven't even located the corium that remained or left the building either yet - it's all gone a bit Pete Tong. Still spewing out radiation into the air and water too, Chernobyl was very very bad (the radiation killed trees there) but this will end up being worse IMO because the USSR dealt with the problem, whereas TEPCO is IMO 'f
king useless'.The birds seem to be disappearing ( HERE ) but could be due to the inundations I guess. Many deformaties are reported however - something is playing hell with their DNA: http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/3094958
The fallout is spreading too:
http://www.infowars.com/fukushima-radiation-spread...
article said:
California, Finland, Canada, Australia Hit By Radiation
The University of California at Berkeley detected cesium levels in San Francisco area milk above over EPA limits … and even higher than they were 6 months ago.
Finnish public television says that cesium from Fukushima has been detected in lichens, fungi and elk and reindeer meat in Finland.
The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency confirmed a radiation cloud over the East Coast of Australia.
The West Coast of Canada is getting hit by debris from Japan … and at least some of it is likely radioactive.
There is still too much I131 over europe too IIRC. From http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-10/fuku... I have also seen for some time that TEPCO are not telling us anything and that the problems with the plant are not getting solved. At least #4 fuel pond hasn't collapsed yet.The University of California at Berkeley detected cesium levels in San Francisco area milk above over EPA limits … and even higher than they were 6 months ago.
Finnish public television says that cesium from Fukushima has been detected in lichens, fungi and elk and reindeer meat in Finland.
The Australian Radiation Protection and Nuclear Safety Agency confirmed a radiation cloud over the East Coast of Australia.
The West Coast of Canada is getting hit by debris from Japan … and at least some of it is likely radioactive.
Nothing on TV here, the Baftas are what we see, not the yesterday's news unfolding nuclear disaster overseen by a bunch of paranoid incompetent morons.
That has to be countered by the explosions in #1, #2, #3 and #4 reactor buildings though - it would not have been so bad if they had just melted down but the explosions have made containment impossible (although the bulk of the material in the used fuel pools was never contained) and meant that it's a real guessing game.
The Mayor doesn't seem very well either: http://enenews.com/mayor-fukushima-ive-lost-almost... (with hair loss and chronic nosebleeds). Not understood the nosebleeds thing but it seems widely reported ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fukushima+noseble...), it could be stress I guess.
Still if I was in New York I'd be more worried about Indian Point, an ageing reactor of the same design that Entergy ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Entergy+nuclear+l...) wants to run for a few extra decades beyond its design life.
Reminds me of a not-so-funny story I heard about solar flares - if we had a big enough one to knock out the grid for a while it's possible that many of the nuclear plants could not cool themselves and end up like #1 Daiichi.
As someone that lives in Japan, it's very odd that the only discussion I ever see/hear of failed nuclear plant is between foreigners, like here on PH. The last time Fukushima came up in conversation amongst my Japanese friends/colleagues was April 2011. While it may pop up on the news occasionally, it's like everyone is following Tepco's lead and sticking their heads in the sand.
Edit: I should clarify that I'm about 400 miles away. I'm sure living closer to the disaster may bring it into conversation a little more often.
Edit: I should clarify that I'm about 400 miles away. I'm sure living closer to the disaster may bring it into conversation a little more often.
Edited by foreverdriving on Monday 13th February 01:34
foreverdriving said:
As someone that lives in Japan, it's very odd that the only discussion I ever see/hear of failed nuclear plant is between foreigners, like here on PH. The last time Fukushima came up in conversation amongst my Japanese friends/colleagues was April 2011. While it may pop up on the news occasionally, it's like everyone is following Tepco's lead and sticking their heads in the sand.
Edit: I should clarify that I'm about 400 miles away. I'm sure living closer to the disaster may bring it into conversation a little more often.
Isn't that more of an Asian cultural peculiarity? Saving face?Edit: I should clarify that I'm about 400 miles away. I'm sure living closer to the disaster may bring it into conversation a little more often.
Edited by foreverdriving on Monday 13th February 01:34
Globs said:
There is still too much I131 over europe too IIRC. From http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-10/fuku... I have also seen for some time that TEPCO are not telling us anything and that the problems with the plant are not getting solved. At least #4 fuel pond hasn't collapsed yet.
Nothing on TV here, the Baftas are what we see, not the yesterday's news unfolding nuclear disaster overseen by a bunch of paranoid incompetent morons.
That has to be countered by the explosions in #1, #2, #3 and #4 reactor buildings though - it would not have been so bad if they had just melted down but the explosions have made containment impossible (although the bulk of the material in the used fuel pools was never contained) and meant that it's a real guessing game.
The Mayor doesn't seem very well either: http://enenews.com/mayor-fukushima-ive-lost-almost... (with hair loss and chronic nosebleeds). Not understood the nosebleeds thing but it seems widely reported ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fukushima+noseble...), it could be stress I guess.
Still if I was in New York I'd be more worried about Indian Point, an ageing reactor of the same design that Entergy ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Entergy+nuclear+l...) wants to run for a few extra decades beyond its design life.
Reminds me of a not-so-funny story I heard about solar flares - if we had a big enough one to knock out the grid for a while it's possible that many of the nuclear plants could not cool themselves and end up like #1 Daiichi.
How did the USSR deal with anything, you even know what your talking about ? Nothing on TV here, the Baftas are what we see, not the yesterday's news unfolding nuclear disaster overseen by a bunch of paranoid incompetent morons.
That has to be countered by the explosions in #1, #2, #3 and #4 reactor buildings though - it would not have been so bad if they had just melted down but the explosions have made containment impossible (although the bulk of the material in the used fuel pools was never contained) and meant that it's a real guessing game.
The Mayor doesn't seem very well either: http://enenews.com/mayor-fukushima-ive-lost-almost... (with hair loss and chronic nosebleeds). Not understood the nosebleeds thing but it seems widely reported ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fukushima+noseble...), it could be stress I guess.
Still if I was in New York I'd be more worried about Indian Point, an ageing reactor of the same design that Entergy ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Entergy+nuclear+l...) wants to run for a few extra decades beyond its design life.
Reminds me of a not-so-funny story I heard about solar flares - if we had a big enough one to knock out the grid for a while it's possible that many of the nuclear plants could not cool themselves and end up like #1 Daiichi.
frosted said:
Really, could you point me to one act of responsibility ?
Whilst the bds kept quiet and did not tell the general population, they did organise themselves at a fairly short order and delt with the problem, albeit at an enormous human cost, pretty decisevely and successfully. And yes, before you say anything, I did live on the other side of the Iron Curtain at the time and yes, we all suffered. But did the Soviets do a better job than the morons in charge of Japan and TEPCO - hell yes!
frosted said:
Globs said:
There is still too much I131 over europe too IIRC. From http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-10/fuku... I have also seen for some time that TEPCO are not telling us anything and that the problems with the plant are not getting solved. At least #4 fuel pond hasn't collapsed yet.
Nothing on TV here, the Baftas are what we see, not the yesterday's news unfolding nuclear disaster overseen by a bunch of paranoid incompetent morons.
That has to be countered by the explosions in #1, #2, #3 and #4 reactor buildings though - it would not have been so bad if they had just melted down but the explosions have made containment impossible (although the bulk of the material in the used fuel pools was never contained) and meant that it's a real guessing game.
The Mayor doesn't seem very well either: http://enenews.com/mayor-fukushima-ive-lost-almost... (with hair loss and chronic nosebleeds). Not understood the nosebleeds thing but it seems widely reported ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fukushima+noseble...), it could be stress I guess.
Still if I was in New York I'd be more worried about Indian Point, an ageing reactor of the same design that Entergy ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Entergy+nuclear+l...) wants to run for a few extra decades beyond its design life.
Reminds me of a not-so-funny story I heard about solar flares - if we had a big enough one to knock out the grid for a while it's possible that many of the nuclear plants could not cool themselves and end up like #1 Daiichi.
How did the USSR deal with anything, you even know what your talking about ? Nothing on TV here, the Baftas are what we see, not the yesterday's news unfolding nuclear disaster overseen by a bunch of paranoid incompetent morons.
That has to be countered by the explosions in #1, #2, #3 and #4 reactor buildings though - it would not have been so bad if they had just melted down but the explosions have made containment impossible (although the bulk of the material in the used fuel pools was never contained) and meant that it's a real guessing game.
The Mayor doesn't seem very well either: http://enenews.com/mayor-fukushima-ive-lost-almost... (with hair loss and chronic nosebleeds). Not understood the nosebleeds thing but it seems widely reported ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fukushima+noseble...), it could be stress I guess.
Still if I was in New York I'd be more worried about Indian Point, an ageing reactor of the same design that Entergy ( http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Entergy+nuclear+l...) wants to run for a few extra decades beyond its design life.
Reminds me of a not-so-funny story I heard about solar flares - if we had a big enough one to knock out the grid for a while it's possible that many of the nuclear plants could not cool themselves and end up like #1 Daiichi.
frosted said:
How did the USSR deal with anything, you even know what your talking about ?
Your grammar almost as bad as your ignorance. The USSR made great sacrifice to put out the fire at Chernobyl/Pripyat, the made further sacrifices to bury the worst of the radioactive material, they made great sacrifice in emptying the water pooled below the water (a man knowingly died opening that valve), and more sacrifice protecting the ground below the reactor by excavating it and filling it with concrete.
They had a regrettable accident but they grasped the nettle and many people died to ensure our safety. The emissions were stopped as soon as humanly possible and they made sure they knew the melt was contained and in a safe state.
Maybe you should watch some of the documentaries on youtube to educate yourself before insulting those who died for your safety?
Globs said:
frosted said:
How did the USSR deal with anything, you even know what your talking about ?
Your grammar almost as bad as your ignorance. The USSR made great sacrifice to put out the fire at Chernobyl/Pripyat, the made further sacrifices to bury the worst of the radioactive material, they made great sacrifice in emptying the water pooled below the water (a man knowingly died opening that valve), and more sacrifice protecting the ground below the reactor by excavating it and filling it with concrete.
They had a regrettable accident but they grasped the nettle and many people died to ensure our safety. The emissions were stopped as soon as humanly possible and they made sure they knew the melt was contained and in a safe state.
Maybe you should watch some of the documentaries on youtube to educate yourself before insulting those who died for your safety?
No, thought so.
As globs has intimated previously, I shall refrain from taking the thread off topic with my own, particular, thoughts of civil atomic usage
I'm not really impressed by those links; tinfoil hats abound, which is a shame as TEPCO really did screw up and there's plenty of material to beat them up with. The wild speculation, bizarre extrapolation and ignorance displayed by the articles is not going to win friends and influence people.
hidetheelephants said:
I'm not really impressed by those links
Thanks for sharing.This is reactor 4:
We must have all collectively missed the media reporting on the explosion that tore that apart, which was an odd thing to happen considering the reactor vessel was empty at the time. Maybe TEPCO don't want to worry us about what may happen if it collapses. A real risk with continuing earthquakes - one only this morning in fact.
Dr. Arnie Gundersen warns they need to go further than 450km if it does collapse:
So if you choose to choose denial as your coping mechanism that's great, but the laws of physics and the weather patterns and building stresses will continue along just the same. You may want to cross your fingers if that makes it easier.
What would actually help would be to attack and expose TEPCO and thus get some responsible international effort to solve some of the issues, this will never happen while we all apologize for TEPCOs insane trick of managing the PR while exposing the northern hemisphere to extreme danger of long term radionuclide contamination.
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