Japan Fukushima nuclear thread

[hairykrishna]

So this loss of farm land and fishing is going to cause a famine that kills 20 times the population of Japan? The 2.89 billion figure is sensationalist bullst.

[Welshbeef]

hairykrishna said:

So this loss of farm land and fishing is going to cause a famine that kills 20 times the population of Japan? The 2.89 billion figure is sensationalist bullst.

China you muppet.

Clean your ears out.
May still be pie in te sky but think where are there a lot of people living in relative close proximity... Oh yes that country with the biggest population in the world.

[dudleybloke]

hairykrishna said:

It's nonsense. Apply some critical thinking - how could 2.89 billion people possibly be exposed to it?

Assuming they've done any kind of calculation at all I presume they've done some maths similar to that found here; http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~blc/book/chapter13.htm... where they calculate potential cancers per pound of plutonium dust inhaled. They've then multiplied this up by the amount of plut present.

It's analogous to suggesting that, because a cup full of water can drown someone, a swimming pool 'has the potential to kill millions'.

thats how im taking it.

[hairykrishna]

Welshbeef said:

hairykrishna said:

So this loss of farm land and fishing is going to cause a famine that kills 20 times the population of Japan? The 2.89 billion figure is sensationalist bullst.

China you muppet.

Clean your ears out.
May still be pie in te sky but think where are there a lot of people living in relative close proximity... Oh yes that country with the biggest population in the world.

Ok, so this proposed famine's going to kill double the population of China? It's daft whichever way you look at it.

[IrateNinja]

Welshbeef said:

What about making fertile land and sea not viable for food production of grazing for centuries. Could famine be another part of the 2.89 billion

Fukushima-derived radionuclides in the ocean and biota off Japan

Article said:

In terms of potential biological impacts, radiation doses in marine organisms are generally dominated by the naturally occurring radionuclides 210-Po (an alpha emitter) and 40-K, even when organisms are exposed to anthropogenic radioactivity discharged to coastal waters (14). To be comparable just to doses from 210-Po, 137-Cs levels in fish would need to range from 300 to 12,000 Bq·kg−1 dry weight, some 1–3 orders of magnitude higher than what we observed ≥30 km off Japan. Thus, radiation risks of these isotopes to marine organisms and human consumers of seafood are well below those from natural radionuclides

[lost in espace]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-alvarez/the-f...

Of interest, this development in the story is very worrying.

[llewop]

lost in espace said:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-alvarez/the-f...

Of interest, this development in the story is very worrying.

Of not much interest as far as I can work out after reading it twice!

On the one hand it forecasts doom and gloom if the fuel ponds are damaged further and the fuel is exposed... them recommends that the fuel is transferred to dry storage!

About the most interesting thing in it is the explanation for why so much fuel was in storage at the site - a reprocessing facility was incomplete as it was over budget/time, but that can't be blamed on the earthquake as far as I can tell.

Quoting what might be released vs what wasn't released at Chernobyl is a rather strange way of representing things and clouds the issue somewhat - I don't have the figures to hand, but I'm sure that far more of the inventory at Chernobyl remained than was released, the same would be the case for each reactor at Fukushima.

A quick(ish) word on the 2 point something billions: since it's just a number generated without explaining how - the easiest way of generating such a number would be to take the inventory in the source you're talking about, divide it by the dose per unit intake and then by an assumed figure for fatality (say 5 Sv) - which would give you theoretical deaths from the inventory. Assuming: all of it were released, in a respirable particle size, it were inhaled pro-rata by your 2 point something billion people each waiting beside/behind each other, that no counter-measures were taken to mitigate the release or intake and.... assuming that an inhaled committed dose would actually lead to fatality in accordance with the above assumptions.

I very much doubt someone has done any detailed dispersion modelling that could forecast such a number of fatalities on the basis of environmental or marine dispersal.

[thinfourth2]

2.98 billion killed by each fuel rod

So 1 reactor will be able to kill everyone on the planet

So why am i still here after Chernobyl or am i just a figment of my own long dead imagination. Which brings an even more frightening thought.


My own dead subconscious mind created Jedward

Kill me now

Again

[Hooli]

thinfourth2 said:

My own dead subconscious mind created Jedward

Kill me now

Again

[Mojocvh]

Low level contamination in the food chain is spreading.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1823...

[Apache]

Mojocvh said:

Low level contamination in the food chain is spreading.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1823...

That's quite a level headed and undramatic report, which is rather odd for the BBC

[Globs]

Apache said:

Mojocvh said:

Low level contamination in the food chain is spreading.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1823...

That's quite a level headed and undramatic report, which is rather odd for the BBC

I was stunned that there was no link to Global Warming in there, what's happening at the Beeb??

[eldar]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-18299...

26 years later.

[Globs]

eldar said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-18299...

26 years later.

Almost the half life of Cs137, so there will be about half the amount in a few years than fell on that fateful day/week.

[Lost_BMW]

Globs said:

Apache said:

Mojocvh said:

Low level contamination in the food chain is spreading.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1823...

That's quite a level headed and undramatic report, which is rather odd for the BBC

I was stunned that there was no link to Global Warming in there, what's happening at the Beeb??

Don't be silly. Carbon dioxide is far more dangerous than, well, anything. Killed the dinosaurs don't you know? Or was that its evil twin methane, one forgets?

[eldar]

Lost_BMW said:

Don't be silly. Carbon dioxide is far more dangerous than, well, anything. Killed the dinosaurs don't you know? Or was that its evil twin methane, one forgets?

It was suicide by the dinosaurs. Too much farting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792

[Lost_BMW]

eldar said:

Lost_BMW said:

Don't be silly. Carbon dioxide is far more dangerous than, well, anything. Killed the dinosaurs don't you know? Or was that its evil twin methane, one forgets?

It was suicide by the dinosaurs. Too much farting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/17953792

Fart tax would've saved them - poor show, no higher organisation.

[nelly1]

Japan 'must restart' two nuclear reactors, Noda warns...

BBC Article said:

Japan must restart two nuclear reactors to protect the country's economy and livelihoods, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda has said in a televised broadcast.

"Cheap and stable electricity is vital. If all the reactors that previously provided 30% of Japan's electricity supply are halted, or kept idle, Japanese society cannot survive," Mr Noda said.

[Blib]

nelly1 said:

Japan 'must restart' two nuclear reactors, Noda warns...

BBC Article said:

Japan must restart two nuclear reactors to protect the country's economy and livelihoods, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda has said in a televised broadcast.

"Cheap and stable electricity is vital. If all the reactors that previously provided 30% of Japan's electricity supply are halted, or kept idle, Japanese society cannot survive," Mr Noda said.

Don't tell the Germans.

[Apache]

Blib said:

nelly1 said:

Japan 'must restart' two nuclear reactors, Noda warns...

BBC Article said:

Japan must restart two nuclear reactors to protect the country's economy and livelihoods, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda has said in a televised broadcast.

"Cheap and stable electricity is vital. If all the reactors that previously provided 30% of Japan's electricity supply are halted, or kept idle, Japanese society cannot survive," Mr Noda said.

Don't tell the Germans.

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why don't they just build windmill farms? it's saved the western world