Japan Fukushima nuclear thread

[Globs]

Apache said:

why don't they just build windmill farms? it's saved the western world

They can't afford any more energy sinks

[Mojocvh]

Apache said:

Blib said:

nelly1 said:

Japan 'must restart' two nuclear reactors, Noda warns...

BBC Article said:

Japan must restart two nuclear reactors to protect the country's economy and livelihoods, Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda has said in a televised broadcast.

"Cheap and stable electricity is vital. If all the reactors that previously provided 30% of Japan's electricity supply are halted, or kept idle, Japanese society cannot survive," Mr Noda said.

Don't tell the Germans.

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why don't they just build windmill farms? it's saved the western world

So who [in the industry ] has ever stated that?

You'll like this then. http://www.siemens.co.uk/pool/about_us/businesses/...

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 9th June 12:11

[Mojocvh]

http://www.asianscientist.com/in-the-lab/demersal-...


"To predict how the patterns of contamination will change over time will take more than just studies of fish,” said Buesseler, who led an international research cruise in 2011 to study the spread of radionuclides from Fukushima. “What we really need is a better understanding of the sources and sinks of cesium and other radionuclides that continue to drive what we’re seeing in the ocean off Fukushima."

[rhinochopig]

Mojocvh said:

http://www.asianscientist.com/in-the-lab/demersal-...


"To predict how the patterns of contamination will change over time will take more than just studies of fish,” said Buesseler, who led an international research cruise in 2011 to study the spread of radionuclides from Fukushima. “What we really need is a better understanding of the sources and sinks of cesium and other radionuclides that continue to drive what we’re seeing in the ocean off Fukushima."

Mmm...someone who managed to convince someone to pay for his cruise around the world recommends further study. I like his approach

[Mojocvh]

Ah indeed.

[hidetheelephants]

FT.com: Hitachi buys Horizon project from the Germans; has commonsense broken out? £700m is a big wedge, they must have received more than just a nod from the DECC.

[The Don of Croy]

hidetheelephants said:

FT.com: Hitachi buys Horizon project from the Germans; has commonsense broken out? £700m is a big wedge, they must have received more than just a nod from the DECC.

Priceless exchange between Ed Davey and John Humphries on the Today prog, Radio 4 this am. Humphries described the former contract (with the European consortium) as 'dodgy', Davey bit back and told him there was no impropriety involved. Humphries then back-pedalled furiously and tried to laugh it off 'Nobody would think dodgy would insinuate malpractice etc' or words to that effect.

Dodgy has connotations of Arthur Daley'esque character, no? What other meaning would you automatically jump to when discussing a contract or business dealing?

Hope Hitachi pick it up and run with it - we need those reactors.

[dudleybloke]

Mojocvh said:

http://www.asianscientist.com/in-the-lab/demersal-...


"To predict how the patterns of contamination will change over time will take more than just studies of fish,” said Buesseler, who led an international research cruise in 2011 to study the spread of radionuclides from Fukushima. “What we really need is a better understanding of the sources and sinks of cesium and other radionuclides that continue to drive what we’re seeing in the ocean off Fukushima."

looking for codzilla?

[Globs]

With the radioactive material still escaping from the site, reactor 4 fuel storage sinking nearly 32 inches into the ground and the fish still full of caesium it's easy to think that this failed plant is pretty dangerous to life.

However this week I became aware of another, worse, lingering disaster, this one made by Bliar and his war mongering chums:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-war-crimes-cancer-...
etc.

It seems Bliar has exceeded the effects of even Chernobyl and Fukushima in his deliberate creation of war, in disfiguring far more children than even the worst nuclear accidents the world has seem.

[llewop]

The Don of Croy said:

Hope Hitachi pick it up and run with it - we need those reactors.

Can't disagree - we need a generating capacity solution and fast - nothing else currently available can fill the gap there will be.

If there is appetite to discuss 'New Build' - perhaps a new thread?

[llewop]

Globs said:

With the radioactive material still escaping from the site, reactor 4 fuel storage sinking nearly 32 inches into the ground and the fish still full of caesium it's easy to think that this failed plant is pretty dangerous to life.

However this week I became aware of another, worse, lingering disaster, this one made by Bliar and his war mongering chums:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-war-crimes-cancer-...
etc.

It seems Bliar has exceeded the effects of even Chernobyl and Fukushima in his deliberate creation of war, in disfiguring far more children than even the worst nuclear accidents the world has seem.

Finding fish that eat caesium doesn't necessarily mean that leaks from the site continue, but even if it is releasing some material, it won't be at a rate that is going to significantly impact what has already been released: don't forget that caesium-137 has a half-life of about 30 years, so it will be in the sediment for some time to come, so inevitable that bottom feeders will be ingesting it. Closed cycle eco-systems can 'recycle' the activity for a very long time, for instance Cumbrian sheep were only recently (within the last year or two) released from controls post Chernobyl.

As for Irag and Fellujah; I would suggest they are tilting at the wrong windmills linking it to DU - there were/are shed loads of other environmental pollutants in the area: the whole Iraqi oil field was on fire for instance! Sadly if they are listening to Busby they will be dragged down the wrong alley and perhaps not find the actual causes or solutions.

[Globs]

llewop said:

I would suggest they are tilting at the wrong windmills linking it to DU

In hair samples etc researchers have fund DU, slightly enriched U, Hg and Pb. I.e. a cocktail of heavy metals.
I suspect their problems stem from the toxicity of those heavy metals rather than the rather slow radiation.

[Mojocvh]

dudleybloke said:

Mojocvh said:

http://www.asianscientist.com/in-the-lab/demersal-...


"To predict how the patterns of contamination will change over time will take more than just studies of fish,” said Buesseler, who led an international research cruise in 2011 to study the spread of radionuclides from Fukushima. “What we really need is a better understanding of the sources and sinks of cesium and other radionuclides that continue to drive what we’re seeing in the ocean off Fukushima."

looking for codzilla?

keep him going for a few weeks!

[eldar]

llewop said:

Can't disagree - we need a generating capacity solution and fast - nothing else currently available can fill the gap there will be.

If there is appetite to discuss 'New Build' - perhaps a new thread?

Good idea. 3.6GW of generation capacity coming soon (maybe..) to within a mile and a half of my front door. 3 x AP1000 or a couple of Eurogens.

[Mojocvh]

eldar said:

llewop said:

Can't disagree - we need a generating capacity solution and fast - nothing else currently available can fill the gap there will be.

If there is appetite to discuss 'New Build' - perhaps a new thread?

Good idea. 3.6GW of generation capacity coming soon (maybe..) to within a mile and a half of my front door. 3 x AP1000 or a couple of Eurogens.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20137573

"Indeed, as yet:

Hitachi has not worked out exactly how much it would cost to build six new nuclear power plants in the UK,

a government-guaranteed "strike price", or minimum price for nuclear generated power, has not yet been hammered out,

it is not clear when the plants would be completed, nor who would operate them,

the boiling water nuclear reactor system that Hitachi is keen to install has yet to be granted UK safety approval."

And why is this image not surprising?



0.5Mw of hot air there!

[The Don of Croy]

I am postulating here;

If Hitachi build the reactors - with no government price guarantee - they'll still have a big load of energy to sell, in a country with growing energy requirements and diminishing methods of production.

Anybody else wanting to enter the market has to find sites, get approval, etc etc (not that Hitachi have full approval yet IIRC).

Unless shale gas is quickly and successfully exploited then there is, perhaps, just a huge UK market for this new energy. Ergo, they don't need an explicit government price guarantee, because we will be desperate for it by then - they will be happy to make a market price for it (the market having driven up the price by then).

Maybe they will package the leccy and send it back to Japan?

[carreauchompeur]

The Don of Croy said:

Maybe they will package the leccy and send it back to Japan?

What, in big electricity tankers?

[hidetheelephants]

carreauchompeur said:

What, in big electricity tankers?

Nah, they'll fax it.

[Lost_BMW]

carreauchompeur said:

The Don of Croy said:

Maybe they will package the leccy and send it back to Japan?

What, in big electricity tankers?

No, no, no... in those pay as you go disposable electric cars that Caroline Lucas wants us to subsidise the manufacture of. A bit like a clockwork minature but with 600Kg of batteries bolted under and in every orifice.

[carreauchompeur]

Ah, I see. I was thinking it was a stupid idea, it's ages to Japan by boat so the electricity would have gone off by the time it got there anyway.