Japan Fukushima nuclear thread

[Scuffers]

V8 Fettler said:

THORP (at Sellafield) is supposed to operate on a commercial basis in a market, receiving spent nuclear fuel from all over the world, reprocessing and then returning to the owners, primarily Japan and Germany.

yes, but as I am sure you know, the price for this is heavy 'doctored' by all 3 government's and with Japan and Germany running away from Nuclear, it's somewhat screwed.

[V8 Fettler]

Scuffers said:

V8 Fettler said:

THORP (at Sellafield) is supposed to operate on a commercial basis in a market, receiving spent nuclear fuel from all over the world, reprocessing and then returning to the owners, primarily Japan and Germany.

yes, but as I am sure you know, the price for this is heavy 'doctored' by all 3 government's and with Japan and Germany running away from Nuclear, it's somewhat screwed.

"market(?)" is probably a better description.

[Mojocvh]

" Other than to say that one thing I suspect anyone would have struggled with is responding to 4 simultaneous events on the same site without much off site support - "


How can you formulate a set of controls that are robust AND sustainable enough whilst at the same time having every £ of your operating costs under the most severe profit/bonus driven pressures from your shareholders and directors???

[Crusoe]

class action for 51 U.S. troops suffering from radiation poisoning.

http://www.silverdoctors.com/update-51-sailors-suf...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23307-us-sol...

Edited by Crusoe on Thursday 19th December 11:14

[hidetheelephants]

Crusoe said:

class action for 51 U.S. troops suffering from radiation poisoning.

http://www.silverdoctors.com/update-51-sailors-suf...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23307-us-sol...

Edited by Crusoe on Thursday 19th December 11:14

Aside from thinking of vexatious litigation, these servicemen were in the charge of the US Navy onboard a nuclear-powered ship well equipped with radiation and contamination monitoring equipment and health physics specialists trained to deal with and manage exposure in the event of accidents; their first port of call should be suing their employer. The fact they aren't suggests the claim is balls.

[Crusoe]

Sounds like they were ingesting it before the spill was made known.

news said:

Crew members in their mid-20Œs from the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan are coming down with all sorts of radiation-related illnesses after being deployed less than 3 years ago to assist with earthquake rescue operations off the coast of Japan in 2011. It looks as though the onboard desalinization systems that take salt out of seawater to make it drinkable, were taking-in radioactive water from the ocean for the crew to drink, cook with and bath-in, before anyone realized there was a massive radiation spill into the ocean.

Charles Bonner, attorney representing sailors from the USS Ronald Reagan said gthe crew members were not only going to the rescue by jumping into the water and rescuing people out of the water, but they were drinking desalinated sea water, bathing in it, until finally the captain of the USS Ronald Reagan alarmed people that they were encountering high levels of radiation.h

Bonner says that as a result of this exposure, the 51 sailors have come down with a host of medical problems, gThey have testicular cancer, they have thyroid cancers, they have leukemias, they have rectal and gynecological bleeding, a host of problems that they did not have before c people are going blind, pilots who had perfect eyesight but now have tumors on the brain. And itfs only been 3 years since they went in.h Bonner pointed out that these service men and women are young people, ages 21, 22, 23 years old and no one in their family had ever suffered any of these kinds of illnesses before.

[hidetheelephants]

It's very difficult to believe that the USS Ronald Reagan's monitoring systems wouldn't have started hooting very loudly and flashing like christmas trees long before anything hazardous got anywhere near the crew; nuclear installations, even floating ones, have detectors coming out of their ears. It was monitoring equipment at a Swedish nuclear power station that detected fallout from Chernobyl long before the Soviets owned up to the disaster.

[MrCarPark]

There is an interview with the attorney here:

http://www.nuclearhotseat.com/nuclear-hotseat-129-...

The actual interview starts around a third of the way in, after the anti-nuke news.


The crux of it appears to be that the servicemen were irradiated/contaminated and brought the contamination back to the carrier, and that the carrier itself was in the plume until it was relocated. It is argued that TEPCO's lack of information about the nature of the accident amounts to deception (that's the way I read it - I may be wrong).

Images of the decontam here:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Radiati...


So not entirely vexatious litigation, but certainly a long drawn out process if they do start to get anywhere with it.

[DamienB]

An aircraft carrier designed to fight in conflicts including nuclear war doesn't have the ability to detect radioactive contamination entering via its desalination plant? That would appear to be highly unlikely. And indeed reporting at the time mentions that the carrier's radiation alarms went off and they moved out of harm's way as a result:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/radiation-detected-on-...

...with no significant exposure to crew as a result.

[Globs]

Crusoe said:

class action for 51 U.S. troops suffering from radiation poisoning.

http://www.silverdoctors.com/update-51-sailors-suf...
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23307-us-sol...

Here too:

http://nypost.com/2013/12/22/70-navy-sailors-left-...

Nasty stuff

[V8 Fettler]

A multi-billion$$$ nuclear-powered ship designed to function in an environment contaminated with radioactivity sails towards an area possibly contaminated with radioactivity, navigates to a position directly downwind (??!!) from the reactor site and no-one checks that the multi-million$$$ systems designed to detect radioactivity are switched on and functioning?

More info needed.

[slartibartfast]

it's all ok guys, there isn't a problem....according to this professional outfit on youtube

Fukushima Radiation: What You've Heard are LIES!
http://youtu.be/1ZqcxI_XATI

WTF?

[hairykrishna]

slartibartfast said:

it's all ok guys, there isn't a problem....according to this professional outfit on youtube

Fukushima Radiation: What You've Heard are LIES!
http://youtu.be/1ZqcxI_XATI

WTF?

That reports seems fairly accurate. Surprisingly given the presentation.


I have no idea what to make of the aircraft carrier crew court case. I struggle to believe that a US regulated, nuclear powered ship would be able to expose it's crew to any kind of dose without it's monitoring systems going crazy. It also stretches credibility that large number of crew would get enough dose to exhibit diarrhea as a prompt symptom without a good proportion of them being dead by now.

[Mojocvh]

so what happened to all their contaminated clothing afterwards ?

[MrCarPark]

Globs said:

Here too:

http://nypost.com/2013/12/22/70-navy-sailors-left-...

Nasty stuff

Hmm. Never knew it was snow directly from the plume.

That makes a bit more sense as to why the Navy couldn't do much about it, other than not parking in the plume in the first place.

[Scuffers]

hairykrishna said:

slartibartfast said:

it's all ok guys, there isn't a problem....according to this professional outfit on youtube

Fukushima Radiation: What You've Heard are LIES!
http://youtu.be/1ZqcxI_XATI

WTF?

That reports seems fairly accurate. Surprisingly given the presentation.


I have no idea what to make of the aircraft carrier crew court case. I struggle to believe that a US regulated, nuclear powered ship would be able to expose it's crew to any kind of dose without it's monitoring systems going crazy. It also stretches credibility that large number of crew would get enough dose to exhibit diarrhea as a prompt symptom without a good proportion of them being dead by now.

I liked this comment on the vid:

projectnsearch 19 hours ago

+Shadrach Hargreaves LOL, Chernobyl killed over 1 million people due to radiation and Fukushima will kill over 100 million easily if not more because it's still ongoing and can't be stopped! Coal plants can be build so that nothing comes out but C02

OK, 1 Million people?

where?

[hairykrishna]

Mojocvh said:

so what happened to all their contaminated clothing afterwards ?

Probably depends how contaminated it was, if at all. If it had any trace on it then it probably went in with the rest of the low level waste.

[Brother D]

Scuffers said:

I liked this comment on the vid:

projectnsearch 19 hours ago

+Shadrach Hargreaves LOL, Chernobyl killed over 1 million people due to radiation and Fukushima will kill over 100 million easily if not more because it's still ongoing and can't be stopped! Coal plants can be build so that nothing comes out but C02

OK, 1 Million people?

where?

There's only 1 rule to reading comments on Youtube:

1. Don't

I challange anyone not to have a physiological response to reading youtube comments.

[Mojocvh]

hairykrishna said:

Mojocvh said:

so what happened to all their contaminated clothing afterwards ?

Probably depends how contaminated it was, if at all. If it had any trace on it then it probably went in with the rest of the low level waste.

You think so?

I don't because they wouldn't have enough on board to re-kit everybody for starters.

And where was the protective kit? hell even poly bags [ok quite a number] on their feet would cut contamination drastically [been there done that ]

NOPE, the USN fecked up big time here.

[hidetheelephants]

Mojocvh said:

NOPE, the USN fecked up big time here.

You're assuming that those pictures are of the actual decontamination of the USS Ronald Reagan rather than just library pictures of a random decontamination drill, although your observation about the lack of PPE is a reasonable one, drill or otherwise.