Japan Fukushima nuclear thread
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I think globs needs to be more specific, I'm guessing he's hinting at the M52/X1 argument which concerns the Miles discovery of the flying tail being handed to the US on a plate giving them the key to supersonic flight.
If he's talking about civilian passenger jet powered flight? square windows.
If he's talking about civilian passenger jet powered flight? square windows.
Apache said:
I think globs needs to be more specific, I'm guessing he's hinting at the M52/X1 argument which concerns the Miles discovery of the flying tail being handed to the US on a plate giving them the key to supersonic flight.
If he's talking about civilian passenger jet powered flight? square windows.
Perhaps more specifically the MoS/MoA/BOAC/RAF vacillation over the V1000/VC7; it was cancelled in 1955(rather galling when airframes were nearing completion) then within 12 months BOAC was ordering 707s. The VC10 was very much a VC7 with the engines moved from the wing roots to the aft pod mount. Round windows too.If he's talking about civilian passenger jet powered flight? square windows.
ETA Fred drift I think.
supersingle said:
Not to mention TSR2 which was cancelled on the orders of the Americans so that they could sell their inferior F111.
Actually it was cancelled because it wasn't meeting the spec, costs were climbing ever skywards, the country couldn't afford it and the RAF were increasingly of the mind that it didn't do what they wanted anyway. The only American input to the decision was to offer the more flexible F-111 at a good price with a buy now pay later deal.DamienB said:
supersingle said:
Not to mention TSR2 which was cancelled on the orders of the Americans so that they could sell their inferior F111.
Actually it was cancelled because it wasn't meeting the spec, costs were climbing ever skywards, the country couldn't afford it and the RAF were increasingly of the mind that it didn't do what they wanted anyway. The only American input to the decision was to offer the more flexible F-111 at a good price with a buy now pay later deal.dudleybloke said:
tonight 9pm bbc2, this world: inside the meltdown.
an insight into the fukushima nuclear plant accident and the efforts to avoid a catastrophe.
could be worth a watch.
Just switched it on, looks good so far.an insight into the fukushima nuclear plant accident and the efforts to avoid a catastrophe.
could be worth a watch.
Blimey the engineers dealing with the disaster got car batteries from their cars to restore power to their emergency control panel!
Edited by lost in espace on Thursday 23 February 21:17
That was a very good, interesting piece of telly, lots of interviews with some of the staff who were working their - worth a watch on the iplayer if you can get a chance.
It must have been horrendously scary for the 'fukushima fifty' who remained throughout, and thos fireme dragging hoses through the exploded, radiating rubble
I hope none of them are left with long term problems later in life.
The final piece from the Japanese PM was telling too - he left the open ended question along the lines of - we were very, very lucky. What will the world be like if there are thousands more of these Nuclear plants?
I'm pro-nuclear, it highlighted just how careful we must be though - almost likve we've had our one get out of jail card, and we'reon our own now...
It must have been horrendously scary for the 'fukushima fifty' who remained throughout, and thos fireme dragging hoses through the exploded, radiating rubble
I hope none of them are left with long term problems later in life.
The final piece from the Japanese PM was telling too - he left the open ended question along the lines of - we were very, very lucky. What will the world be like if there are thousands more of these Nuclear plants?
I'm pro-nuclear, it highlighted just how careful we must be though - almost likve we've had our one get out of jail card, and we'reon our own now...
snotrag said:
The final piece from the Japanese PM was telling too - he left the open ended question along the lines of - we were very, very lucky. What will the world be like if there are thousands more of these Nuclear plants?
I'm pro-nuclear, it highlighted just how careful we must be though - almost likve we've had our one get out of jail card, and we'reon our own now...
Hopefully they won't be as poorly conceived as Fukachima, it seems to have been a disaster waiting to happen. Apart from that things have moved on apace and new plants will be much safer than that, now, if we could just persuade our useless government to invest in this rather than spunk it up the pointless wall of wind power we might get somewhereI'm pro-nuclear, it highlighted just how careful we must be though - almost likve we've had our one get out of jail card, and we'reon our own now...
I missed that but I think this is the iPlayer link:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cpd2m/This...
Will watch it soon!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01cpd2m/This...
Will watch it soon!
Apache said:
Hopefully they won't be as poorly conceived as Fukachima, it seems to have been a disaster waiting to happen. Apart from that things have moved on apace and new plants will be much safer than that, now, if we could just persuade our useless government to invest in this rather than spunk it up the pointless wall of wind power we might get somewhere
Exactly - which is why an event like that is a disaster not only for the immediate reasons, but it also gives ammo to all the nay-sayer - and puts us back years. According to my colleagues who have worked on large Japanese particle physics projects, the health and safety culture over there is very different to that over here. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of regulation.
In fact even at CERN in what one would think would be a very regulated Switzerland it's a lot more relaxed than in the UK - more responsibility placed on the individual. Things like the way in which scaffolding was used would not be acceptable over here.
In fact even at CERN in what one would think would be a very regulated Switzerland it's a lot more relaxed than in the UK - more responsibility placed on the individual. Things like the way in which scaffolding was used would not be acceptable over here.
AJLintern said:
According to my colleagues who have worked on large Japanese particle physics projects, the health and safety culture over there is very different to that over here. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of regulation.
In fact even at CERN in what one would think would be a very regulated Switzerland it's a lot more relaxed than in the UK - more responsibility placed on the individual. Things like the way in which scaffolding was used would not be acceptable over here.
Switzerland is not part of the EU...In fact even at CERN in what one would think would be a very regulated Switzerland it's a lot more relaxed than in the UK - more responsibility placed on the individual. Things like the way in which scaffolding was used would not be acceptable over here.
says it all really
AndyACB said:
I'll second that, quite chilling to see how close they came to losing control completely.
Heavy Water (Mario Petrucci)http://www.amazon.co.uk/Heavy-Water-Chernobyl-Mari...
An astounding record of the Chernobyl reality. Available on Amazon and also as a movie available on DVD or in various parts on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS8EEyN8vXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKp5cA2sM28&fea...
turn speakers down for the big one
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/04/...
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/03/fukushima_upd...
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/08/148183579/with-radia...
all smoke and mirrors from Japanese Government at present....
turn speakers down for the big one
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2011/04/...
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/03/fukushima_upd...
http://www.npr.org/2012/03/08/148183579/with-radia...
all smoke and mirrors from Japanese Government at present....
"The operator of Japan's crippled Fukushima nuclear plant has said damage to one of the reactors is much worse than previously thought.
A probe inserted into reactor two at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant revealed lethal doses of radiation and that the level of cooling water inside was far lower than expected.
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Radiation was up to 10 times the fatal dose, the highest yet recorded at the plant. The level of water cooling the melted-down nuclear fuel was also far lower than expected.
The other two melted-down reactors, which are yet to be examined closely, could be in an even worse state, our correspondent adds
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17533398
A probe inserted into reactor two at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant revealed lethal doses of radiation and that the level of cooling water inside was far lower than expected.
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Radiation was up to 10 times the fatal dose, the highest yet recorded at the plant. The level of water cooling the melted-down nuclear fuel was also far lower than expected.
The other two melted-down reactors, which are yet to be examined closely, could be in an even worse state, our correspondent adds
"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17533398
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