Navy SEALS vs SAS vs SBS vs.....

[rhinochopig]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVZkiQP0gYQ

[Mikeyboy]

I think our perception of the US SF being not as good as ours is probably a little out of date. They have now had ten years of practice and a leadership that is fully aware of their skills and how to use them.
For many years the British and I believe French SF were being used as elite infantry (which is not the same thing at all) and their skills slightly squandered all as a result of an Army Staff which was geared up wholly to fight the Russians and didn't adapt until deep into the Afghan era

I think at best our guys are just slightly better but mostly I think in the Afghan war they are all pretty much about the same.

[ExChrispy Porker]

bga said:

A friend of my dad used to teach unarmed combat techniques to various special forces. He didn't talk about it too much but did say that the common thing among all the SF groups he taught was that they were smart guys.

Fairbairn or Sykes?

[Mr Dave]

30AU , from the second world war always makes me laugh. Their official duties was to gather "intelligence documents and enemy personel from behind enemy lines". Aye just go into the middle of Nazi Germany and steal people.

Really though, if I was sitting in a captured airliner waiting to be rescued I would be praying that it was anyone but the Egyptians!

Polish, Afghan and Iraqi SF must be pretty good by now as well.

[anonymous-user]

Chuck Norris and Guy Martin together could take every SF branch going...

[thinfourth2]

It has to be this lot

[bga]

ExChrispy Porker said:

Fairbairn or Sykes?

Are either of them a Bob? I'm afraid I don't know his last name. He used to keep his motorbike in my Dad's garage when he was on trips abroad.

[ExChrispy Porker]

bga said:

Are either of them a Bob? I'm afraid I don't know his last name. He used to keep his motorbike in my Dad's garage when he was on trips abroad.

Don't worry, I was only trying to be clever

[anonymous-user]

ExChrispy Porker said:

Fairbairn or Sykes?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4005199/GetTough-FairbairnSykes

I particularly like the picture on page 13. Although the fact that all the victims are wearing German uniform is quite amusing...

[ExChrispy Porker]

Greg66 said:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4005199/GetTough-Fairbai...

I particularly like the picture on page 13. Although the fact that all the victims are wearing German uniform is quite amusing...

Google photos of the gents in question and you would think butter wouldn't melt...

[bga]

ExChrispy Porker said:

Don't worry, I was only trying to be clever

That'll be the whoosh parrot for me then

[jefinabox]

As I've got my final test before starting Royal Marine training in a few weeks I'd have to say SBS

But seriously, a king of pointless question but the British SFs have led the way for a while, although I wouldn't bet against anybody with the sort of funding the US has.

[ExChrispy Porker]

bga said:

That'll be the whoosh parrot for me then

Fairbairn and Sykes were the 2 most famous unarmed combat instructors in WW2. The fighting knife they invented ( Commando dagger) is named after them.

[jmorgan]

thinfourth2 said:

It has to be this lot

Yeah but the uniform gets ruined.

[Halb]

james_tigerwoods said:

My money's on those that you never hear about - You know, those that fall in to the category of "plausible deniability".... The "hardest" will be those that fall in to that legal grey area as they won't have any ROEs or accountability.

Indeed...like the double 'O's

But how many of these groups are there? Loads, the ones we always mention at the ones in the Western framework, the 'famous' ones.

[Zaxxon]

drivin_me_nuts said:

O/T...

Do you miss being in the forces?

I used to, I don't so much now. I'm now a family guy and would not want to miss my daughter growing up.
I still keep in contact with mates and meet up for beers, sts and giggles etc. And remembrence day.
The money was st when I was in and we didn't really have a focus 91-98. After I left all hell kicked off.

I like to think that the baddies realised that it was then safe to kick off after I left the forces.

In reality I'm a war dodger

[deltaevo16]

[quote=Zaxxon]

I never said anything against the SAS, however I don't know for sure but the SAS is made up from all units in the Army, not predominantly the Para's (aka. blokes who failed the Commando course ).

Spoken like a true cabbage head

SAS vs SBS

When considering the SAS and SBS, the question naturally springs to mind : which one is the better unit? A juvenile concern perhaps, but that hasn't stopped ex-members of both units slagging their opposite numbers off in a series of books. In ex-SAS operator, Ken Conner's Ghost Force, the author decries the SBS as an under-funded, unprofessional unit. In two books by ex-SBS men, First into Action by Duncan Falconer and Black Water by Don Camsel, the Special Air Service are portrayed as arrogant, gung-ho cowboys who's attitude leads to several operations in Northern Ireland going awry. This antagonism stems from tight defense budgets and the constant jockeying for a piece of the action - both in terms of funding and operations. Both units also have considerable pride in their own abilities and there's a natural resentment of the other 'special' forces.
Commonly stated pro-SAS arguments include:

The Special Air Service are an army force and therefore have better experience on dry land. Some would point to the SBS landrover patrol's apparent difficulties in the Iraqi desert during Gulf War 2.
SAS draw from a wider cross-section of the armed forces meaning their troops include paratroopers, tank drivers, engineers etc. This diversity of skills make the SAS suitable for a wider range of tasks.
The SAS is a larger and better funded organisation

Whilst the pro-SBS camp argue:

With the SBS (until recently) drawing its ranks from the Royal Marines, it is suggested that an SBS operator has a greater level of experience of soldiering than many of their SAS counterparts.
The demands of working in the water demands a higher level of fitness and mental toughness than the SAS.
The lower public profile of the SBS allows for more covert operations and it is said that the MOD have problems with the more maverick elements within the SAS.

Such arguments are becoming more and more academic as the two units are becoming less and less distinguishable. They are now part of the same organisation (UKSF) and are often sent on joint missions together. The main difference between them remains in their separate specialties in the counter terrorism role. Some speculate that an eventual merger of the SAS & SBS is inevitable.

Think this is a fair assesment

[Halb]

Greg66 said:

ExChrispy Porker said:

Fairbairn or Sykes?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/4005199/GetTough-FairbairnSykes

I particularly like the picture on page 13. Although the fact that all the victims are wearing German uniform is quite amusing...

That is brilliant. Makes me think of the karate chop that Bond does on the kidneys Also makes me think of an old character I know who once showed me how he would slice my nose off with the back of his hand, WW2 style.
I also have an authentic commando knife as well, a treasured item

[Mark.H]

WreckedGecko said:

98elise said:

Lost soul said:

WreckedGecko said:

My money would be on SBS, very very tough, nasty people.

And you have met many have you

I doubt very many posters on here will know much about them, let alone met many. That includes those with a forces background. I served 8 years in the forces and only came into contact with them (SBS) once in passing and they seemed like perfectly normal people to me. Tough, professional, dedicated soldiers yes, but not particularly nastly/agressive etc.

As to which is best, each force/team has a particular job to do, so its job dependant, even within the same force.

As above, laughing boy.

I should clarify that I didn't mean they were personally abusive or agressive towards passers by, just very good at their jobs, which suprisingly involve quite a bit of "nastyness" Perhaps I should have said ruthless.

One of the nicest chaps I have ever met was UAE SF and recived most of his training from the SBS. He rated them very highly. But then I suppose he would.

I can echo that, drink on a regular basis with 3 SBS lads out here in Qatar who are currently training some locals,you'd never know their history or profession, lovely lads, 1 built tall and like a runner, the other 2 like bodybuilders...also had a lovely omega with the SBS logo on the back 4xx/500, he had no idea how much more than a normal one it was worth.

Incidentally an irish drunkard kicked off with one of our group at the weekend, and they all kept very quiet until one of the irish guys friends joined his mate, they both came >< close to a hiding of epic proportions. None of the SBS lads of our group even raised an eyebrow to the irish guys but everyone in our group was watching for one of them to snap... Id of paid to see the loudmouth gits thrown over the balcony into the marina before they knew what was happening.

[Ritchie335is]

My money is on the Swiss Army.

I don't fancy being on the end of this, especially the corkscrew. /shudder/