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raptor600
1,356 posts
15 months
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V8A*ndy said: But pensioners are screwed. Only if they are stupid enough to get their income from savings accounts!
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V8A*ndy
1,708 posts
60 months
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raptor600 said: V8A*ndy said: But pensioners are screwed. Only if they are stupid enough to get their income from savings accounts! Do you really think that everyday pensioners have the means to do other wise? Most pensioners are lucky to have even an ISA. 10k in an ISA brought in roughly £60 montly 4 years ago. £60 a month to some pensioners is the difference between existing and freezing to death. Throw a large dose of inflation in there, (RPI) as what has been going on for a fair while and things get really tough. Where else would a pensioner put 10k of life savings that they might need to dip into at any time. Pensioners on low incomes can't afford to lock cash away. QE and current interest rates are really nothing but theft by the government.
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CaptainSlow
4,089 posts
81 months
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Deva Link said: Woolwich had a +0.09% rate for a while and he just missed that.
He's a typical (in my experience) Southener though - when I suggested keeping up the higher payments as interest rates dropped he thought I was mad. That's a typical Northerner thing to suggest (and actually is quite mad).
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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CaptainSlow said: That's a typical Northerner thing to suggest (and actually is quite mad). Yup, can only assume the term 'opportunity cost' is yet to reach oop North...
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
114 months
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DoubleSix said: Yup, can only assume the term 'opportunity cost' is yet to reach oop North...
Yes, he saw the opportunity to upgrade both their cars and go on an extra holiday.
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Welshbeef
13,049 posts
67 months
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Deva Link said: Yes, he saw the opportunity to upgrade both their cars and go on an extra holiday. Well he could get knocked Dow by a bus tomorrow so in some ways living for today is the best. At least you will have an interesting life rather than oh look at me paid off my mortgage early but oh s  t never got to enjoy life though
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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Deva Link said: DoubleSix said: Yup, can only assume the term 'opportunity cost' is yet to reach oop North...
Yes, he saw the opportunity to upgrade both their cars and go on an extra holiday. Whilst that doesn't sound very clever I'm still not sure you see the lack of business sense in paying down a debt which carries a low burden, many would see this as a poor suggestion to make, unless you anticipate that burden increasing dramatically in the short term.
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
114 months
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DoubleSix said: Whilst that doesn't sound very clever I'm still not sure you see the lack of business sense in paying down a debt which carries a low burden, many would see this as a poor suggestion to make, unless you anticipate that burden increasing dramatically in the short term. He's not a business though, he's an employee on PAYE. What kind of thing would you suggest he does with his spare £700/mth?
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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Deva Link said: DoubleSix said: Whilst that doesn't sound very clever I'm still not sure you see the lack of business sense in paying down a debt which carries a low burden, many would see this as a poor suggestion to make, unless you anticipate that burden increasing dramatically in the short term. He's not a business though, he's an employee on PAYE. What kind of thing would you suggest he does with his spare £700/mth? If the rate was as low as you said (0.18%) your pal could do pretty much anything with the cash and he would be making better use of it in terms of opportunity cost. Buy a FTSE dividend tracker within an ISA and earn over 6% for example, or maybe give it to his Mrs to go and buy handbags and sell them to overseas buyers at a 50% mark up... just a couple of ideas off the top of my head, anything but what you were telling him to do really.
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
114 months
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DoubleSix said: Buy a FTSE dividend tracker within an ISA and earn over 6% for example, or maybe give it to his Mrs to go and buy handbags and sell them to overseas buyers at a 50% mark up... just a couple of ideas off the top of my head, anything but what you were telling him to do really. He'd think the idea of investing the money even more bizzare than reducing his mortgage capital.
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Quietlybonkers
3,183 posts
13 months
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northandy said: clarkey said: I'm on a first direct +0.49% tracker. It's funny, it wasn't an especially good rate when I took it out, it's been OK for the last three years or so though!! Im on their +0.79% lifetime tracker, it was an ok deal when i got it, has turned out to be brilliant, as kept my payments the same. Guys, it is worth checking, if you are moving, to see if your super low tracker mortgage is actually portable? Some are, so long as you complete on the new property within three months and live in it yourself. Worth one phone call. MIne is. 0.99% above base is coming with me, if I can jump through all the hoops....... 
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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Still don't think you're hearing me.
Even if he had zero business acumen and no balls he would be better off keeping the funds on cash deposit at a rate of interest even a fraction above the 0.18% he was paying out. Lets say 0.19%, hell I'd keep it on deposit at parity of 0.18% rather than pay down the mortgage because once it's in it's tied up. Flexibility is something smart people value. You still have the option to pay down the mortgage should the rates start to creep up above what you are achieving in interest, but, crucially, should rates stay low you have kept your choices open. The only caveat to this being that you need to ensure you mortgage policy allows you to pay off lump sums at a later date. Certainly most will allow 20k a year so unlikely to exceed that in your example.
Forget about him for a second and appreciate my central point, which is, with respect; your advice was poor. Think before you chide us Southerners, you never know, you might learn something.
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
114 months
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DoubleSix said: Still don't think you're hearing me. I fully understand - it's a cheap line of credit the likes of which may never again be available. Hence I kept my own mortgage going right to the end rather than paying it off. DoubleSix said: You still have the option to pay down the mortgage should the rates start to creep up above what you are achieving in interest, I don't know if you're being thick on purpose, but if he's spent the money on cars and holidays he can't decide in the future to pay down some of his mortgage. Therefore my suggestion (not advice) of paying off his mortgage is a valid one as he can't then fritter the money away.
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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Deva Link said: DoubleSix said: Still don't think you're hearing me. I fully understand - it's a cheap line of credit the likes of which may never again be available. Hence I kept my own mortgage going right to the end rather than paying it off. DoubleSix said: You still have the option to pay down the mortgage should the rates start to creep up above what you are achieving in interest, I don't know if you're being thick on purpose, but if he's spent the money on cars and holidays he can't decide in the future to pay down some of his mortgage. Therefore my suggestion (not advice) of paying off his mortgage is a valid one as he can't then fritter the money away. ME being thick, nice one. Two posts ago you couldn't see how one could effectively utilise £700 per month to exceed a very low interest payment. What your pal actually chooses to do isn't really relevant, certainly not at the point you typed on page one of this thread, you brought the whole squandering thing in later to support your dubious position. Your advice was as lame as your pathetic stab at 'Southerners', no wonder he ignored you, I can see the appeal.
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CaptainSlow
4,089 posts
81 months
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Deva Link said: DoubleSix said: Whilst that doesn't sound very clever I'm still not sure you see the lack of business sense in paying down a debt which carries a low burden, many would see this as a poor suggestion to make, unless you anticipate that burden increasing dramatically in the short term. He's not a business though, he's an employee on PAYE. Someone is a bit thick.
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Deva Link
26,934 posts
114 months
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DoubleSix said: Your advice was as lame as your pathetic stab at 'Southerners', no wonder he ignored you, I can see the appeal. You're right - I'll suggest the handbags to him, that sounds like a good idea.
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carreauchompeur
10,616 posts
73 months
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I think the concept of "Keeping up the payments" is a very sensible one, because if you wouldn't have had the money anyway you theoretically wouldn't miss it, or from an alternative standpoint you'd just fritter the excess.
What you do with it is most important though- Paying extra towards a mortgage (unless you're going to repay it very soon) seems silly, because you could get a much better return in a savings vehicle. And, unless you've got a very flexible mortgage, the money is effectively locked away from you once put into the mortgage...
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DoubleSix
2,521 posts
45 months
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Deva Link said: You're right - I'll suggest the handbags to him, that sounds like a good idea. Muppet, if only you knew! My friends wife uses some of his disposable income to do exactly that. She started out small just sending hangbags to Thailand. She now does a container a month of all sorts of clothing etc... Pulls in 2-3k a month which is a nice little supplementary earner whilst shes looking after the kids.
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northandy
2,301 posts
90 months
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carreauchompeur said: I think the concept of "Keeping up the payments" is a very sensible one, because if you wouldn't have had the money anyway you theoretically wouldn't miss it, or from an alternative standpoint you'd just fritter the excess.
What you do with it is most important though- Paying extra towards a mortgage (unless you're going to repay it very soon) seems silly, because you could get a much better return in a savings vehicle. And, unless you've got a very flexible mortgage, the money is effectively locked away from you once put into the mortgage... Mines an offset, i can redraw up to the mortgage initial amount at any point, but have to pay it off by the end if the agreed term.
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northandy
2,301 posts
90 months
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Quietlybonkers said: Guys, it is worth checking, if you are moving, to see if your super low tracker mortgage is actually portable? Some are, so long as you complete on the new property within three months and live in it yourself. Worth one phone call. MIne is. 0.99% above base is coming with me, if I can jump through all the hoops.......  We are going to be moving soon, but increasing the mortgage, plan on trying to at least carry over a proportion at the low rate, wil see what they say.
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