Woodford anyone?

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xeny

4,309 posts

79 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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I think he sold a lot, if not all of his Purple Bricks stock last autumn. Must admit I’ve done pretty well out of the company.

wilwak

759 posts

171 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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I’d say that in times like these of record breaking index levels he’s exactly the sort of manager to choose. A stock picker rather than an index follower.

Value investors play for the long game. They buy out of favour undervalued stocks. Some may go bad but when they go well they can generate large returns.

I have a holding and have no intention of selling. Stock market investments are for the longer term and Woodford funds are certainly not for the short term.

RL17

1,231 posts

94 months

Wednesday 17th January 2018
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There's quite a few big FTSE dividend payers in top 10 holdings per HL - Imperial Brands, Astrazeneca, Legal & Gen and Lloyds & Provident Financial (down 72% in last year) plus Purplebricks & Barratts. Quite a high % of fund in pharma and biotech. Biotech has done much for last couple of years and the performance for 2016 was that great and was flat last year due to a few problems with Provident Financial & a few pharma companies. Is an equity income fund. Did hold some until this time last year but sold and went into better performers from 2016.

Patch1875

4,895 posts

133 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Jeez he’s taking a bit of a battering.

williaa68

1,528 posts

167 months

Monday 5th February 2018
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Wait til tomorrow! I think we could see WPCT <70

megaphone

10,732 posts

252 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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Patch1875 said:
Jeez he’s taking a bit of a battering.
The FTSE is down, everyone's taking a battering.

Patch1875

4,895 posts

133 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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megaphone said:
Patch1875 said:
Jeez he’s taking a bit of a battering.
The FTSE is down, everyone's taking a battering.
Think my amateur concerns are that he’s virtually back to launch price while others I invest in seem to be still well up.

trickywoo

11,815 posts

231 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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I cashed out of Woodford a few months ago as I just couldn’t see it as any kind of answer to a downturn. If there was no upside when nearly everything else was doing well what was the point of hanging on as a downturn would only make things worse.

BoRED S2upid

19,713 posts

241 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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Patch1875 said:
Think my amateur concerns are that he’s virtually back to launch price while others I invest in seem to be still well up.
Currently at 117 launch was 100 it’s only ever been up to 130 hasn’t it? I cashed out in the 120’s so haven’t been following too closely.

85Carrera

3,503 posts

238 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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trickywoo said:
I cashed out of Woodford a few months ago as I just couldn’t see it as any kind of answer to a downturn. If there was no upside when nearly everything else was doing well what was the point of hanging on as a downturn would only make things worse.
If you'd been invested with him at the time of the tech crash, when he had been criticised for not buying overpriced tat and held his nerve, you might take a different view.

Although looking at some of his investments and how they have performed I am beginning to wonder whether he hasn't lost his touch.

Patch1875

4,895 posts

133 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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BoRED S2upid said:
Currently at 117 launch was 100 it’s only ever been up to 130 hasn’t it? I cashed out in the 120’s so haven’t been following too closely.
104.63 on HL I’m actually at a tiny loss as I topped up a bit after launch.

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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trickywoo said:
I cashed out of Woodford a few months ago as I just couldn’t see it as any kind of answer to a downturn. If there was no upside when nearly everything else was doing well what was the point of hanging on as a downturn would only make things worse.
Buying 'other equities' is never an answer to an equity market downturn.

trickywoo

11,815 posts

231 months

Tuesday 6th February 2018
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No but if you gain 10% instead of 2% in the good times and they both fall the same amount in the bad you are better off.

I may be proved wrong and Woodford will come good but I’m comfortable having switched out.

BoRED S2upid

19,713 posts

241 months

Wednesday 7th February 2018
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Patch1875 said:
BoRED S2upid said:
Currently at 117 launch was 100 it’s only ever been up to 130 hasn’t it? I cashed out in the 120’s so haven’t been following too closely.
104.63 on HL I’m actually at a tiny loss as I topped up a bit after launch.
Ah we’re looking at different funds. I was looking at accumulation your on income.

Skyedriver

17,880 posts

283 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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BoRED S2upid said:
Patch1875 said:
BoRED S2upid said:
Currently at 117 launch was 100 it’s only ever been up to 130 hasn’t it? I cashed out in the 120’s so haven’t been following too closely.
104.63 on HL I’m actually at a tiny loss as I topped up a bit after launch.
Ah we’re looking at different funds. I was looking at accumulation your on income.
Neither looking particularly rosy at the moment,. With a small percentage of my ISA and SIPP in there as well as son's JISA, I should hold put for the long term but....
With the constant concern over what may or may not happen at the end of this month I may just get out.

loafer123

15,448 posts

216 months

Wednesday 6th March 2019
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85Carrera said:
If you'd been invested with him at the time of the tech crash, when he had been criticised for not buying overpriced tat and held his nerve, you might take a different view.

Although looking at some of his investments and how they have performed I am beginning to wonder whether he hasn't lost his touch.
His support for Tinkler in the Stobart dispute meant he lost all credibility in my eyes.

PhilboSE

4,367 posts

227 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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His portfolio balance is not where he wants it to be.

The funds have seen large outgoings as investors have taken their money elsewhere. In order to raise the funds to pay these leavers he has had to sell large chunks of the initial positions he took in big stocks. He is now left with a lot of smaller companies which has unbalanced the portfolio.

Anyone who bought into Woodford within a year or so of launch should now take a good luck at the companies where it is now invested - the portfolio has a very different shape now. To his credit at least he is fully transparent with his holdings.

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

174 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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PhilboSE said:
The funds have seen large outgoings as investors have taken their money elsewhere.
Investors buying high and selling low. Whatever next? rolleyes

PhilboSE

4,367 posts

227 months

Thursday 7th March 2019
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Derek Chevalier said:
PhilboSE said:
The funds have seen large outgoings as investors have taken their money elsewhere.
Investors buying high and selling low. Whatever next? rolleyes
Are you suggesting that investors should leave their money within a fund forever, regardless of its performance and significant change in its investment strategy?

Derek Chevalier

3,942 posts

174 months

Friday 8th March 2019
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PhilboSE said:
Derek Chevalier said:
PhilboSE said:
The funds have seen large outgoings as investors have taken their money elsewhere.
Investors buying high and selling low. Whatever next? rolleyes
Are you suggesting that investors should leave their money within a fund forever, regardless of its performance and significant change in its investment strategy?
I'm suggesting that picking funds because they have had a great run of performance, are on the best buy table etc. may not be the optimal process which no doubt happened with Woodford when he was on a roll.