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Tenants have a lot more rights than landlords do. That's a fact which doesn't sit well with me. All a symptom of the hand out culture. Like others have said all this means is more admin and potential liabilities for the landlord.
We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
zuby84 said:
Tenants have a lot more rights than landlords do. That's a fact which doesn't sit well with me. All a symptom of the hand out culture. Like others have said all this means is more admin and potential liabilities for the landlord.
We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
Specifically; what are all these rights that a tenant has?We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
- Deposit in TDS scheme;
- Yearly inspection of the boiler;
- 1 month notice period to leave (around 4 months if they dispute).
- Maintaining the properties gas, electrics, and water.
- Peaceful enjoyment of the property.
As Ive said, there are many tax payer funded schemes propping up housing costs of which landlords are a beneficiary. And as for HB tenants, I'm surprised you don't understand the level of benefits paid to those in work. Most benefit receivers are not the stereotypical out of work 'hand out culture' types.
economicpygmy said:
Specifically; what are all these rights that a tenant has?
- Deposit in TDS scheme;
- Yearly inspection of the boiler;
- 1 month notice period to leave (around 4 months if they dispute).
- Maintaining the properties gas, electrics, and water.
- Peaceful enjoyment of the property.
As Ive said, there are many tax payer funded schemes propping up housing costs of which landlords are a beneficiary. And as for HB tenants, I'm surprised you don't understand the level of benefits paid to those in work. Most benefit receivers are not the stereotypical out of work 'hand out culture' types.
How about being allowed to stay in your landlords house for 6 months+ (whilst the eviction process is taking place) and costing your landlord potentially £1k in legal fees whilst you stay rent free. Nothing less than theft in my book, but yet the authorities (council/CAB) encourage it. How about trying to organise gas safety checks and tenants not allowing your gas men entry multiple times/saying they're going to be in and aren't etc... The onus is still on landlords to do it and means going through the legal route to gain entry as it continues to be landlords responsibility. It should be that one chance at a gas check and it's up to tenant to get it done if they're not willing to play ball. Regulations meaning that Housing Benefit HAS to be paid to the tenant directly until they end up being 8 weeks behind in rent and only then it can be paid to landlord directly. We don't even take deposits any more since we could be forced to pay 3x the deposit back to tenants due to a admin technicality. Landlord registration services (extra expense and admin) who actually do nothing at all but create a few extra jobs in some council offices. Yearly PAT testing on supplied electrical equipment - I don't even do PAT testing in my own home - why should tenants be obliged to have it? (I don't know the answer to this - but if you rent a tv/iPad etc... from one of these rental companies - are they required to come to your house and do yearly PAT testing on it?) Not allowed to charge for references or paperwork, not allowed to charge a "holding deposit" etc... I think it's far from being an equitable relationship between tenants and landlords.- Deposit in TDS scheme;
- Yearly inspection of the boiler;
- 1 month notice period to leave (around 4 months if they dispute).
- Maintaining the properties gas, electrics, and water.
- Peaceful enjoyment of the property.
As Ive said, there are many tax payer funded schemes propping up housing costs of which landlords are a beneficiary. And as for HB tenants, I'm surprised you don't understand the level of benefits paid to those in work. Most benefit receivers are not the stereotypical out of work 'hand out culture' types.
It's only going to get worse, especially up here in Scotland.
zuby84 said:
How about being allowed to stay in your landlords house for 6 months+ (whilst the eviction process is taking place) and costing your landlord potentially £1k in legal fees whilst you stay rent free. Nothing less than theft in my book, but yet the authorities (council/CAB) encourage it.
It only takes months if a court doesn’t agree if you get that far! And why does a council encourage this? Because you’re talking about chucking people on the street (sometimes deservedly) but nevertheless, there may be kids involved. Check your tenants and buy insurance. Tenants who receive S21 notice often leave within 6 weeks incurring what can be significant costs.zuby84 said:
How about trying to organise gas safety checks and tenants not allowing your gas men entry multiple times/saying they're going to be in and aren't etc... The onus is still on landlords to do it and means going through the legal route to gain entry as it continues to be landlords responsibility.
There’s a clause in most contracts to allow for maintenance if tenants are awkward. Yes the onus is on the landlord, its your boiler!zuby84 said:
We don't even take deposits any more since we could be forced to pay 3x the deposit back to tenants due to a admin technicality. Landlord registration services (extra expense and admin) who actually do nothing at all but create a few extra jobs in some council offices.
If you cant even sort out the TDS within a month of receiving a deposit, I dread to think of the state of your company accounts!zuby84 said:
Yearly PAT testing on supplied electrical equipment - I don't even do PAT testing in my own home - why should tenants be obliged to have it? (I don't know the answer to this - but if you rent a tv/iPad etc... from one of these rental companies - are they required to come to your house and do yearly PAT testing on it?)
I didn’t know about that but it makes sense for supplied electrical items. Its fine for you and I as we make our own choices, but this isn’t the case for supplied items. zuby84 said:
Not allowed to charge for references or paperwork, not allowed to charge a "holding deposit" etc... I think it's far from being an equitable relationship between tenants and landlords.
All agents I rented from have charged tens of pounds for reference checking and hundreds for all the paperwork. Maybe charges have decreased?zuby84 said:
I think it's far from being an equitable relationship between tenants and landlords.
It's clear you've never been a landlord and we're looking at this from the opposite sides of the fence. I'm not talking about the practicalities, I'm talking about the rights which a tenant enjoys which IMO are a lot more one sided than the landlord has. I could be prosecuted for 'throwing someone out on the street' who hasn't paid their rent for 6 months and getting my property back, but if they cause thousands worth of damage and steal items - it's a civil matter with no real chance of recourse for the landlord.
Anyway we're not going to agree on this - have a good day.
Anyway we're not going to agree on this - have a good day.
economicpygmy said:
zuby84 said:
Tenants have a lot more rights than landlords do. That's a fact which doesn't sit well with me. All a symptom of the hand out culture. Like others have said all this means is more admin and potential liabilities for the landlord.
We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
Specifically; what are all these rights that a tenant has?We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
- Deposit in TDS scheme;
- Yearly inspection of the boiler;
- 1 month notice period to leave (around 4 months if they dispute).
- Maintaining the properties gas, electrics, and water.
- Peaceful enjoyment of the property.
As Ive said, there are many tax payer funded schemes propping up housing costs of which landlords are a beneficiary. And as for HB tenants, I'm surprised you don't understand the level of benefits paid to those in work. Most benefit receivers are not the stereotypical out of work 'hand out culture' types.
They are the two biggest gripes for any landlord.
zuby84 said:
It's clear you've never been a landlord and we're looking at this from the opposite sides of the fence. I'm not talking about the practicalities, I'm talking about the rights which a tenant enjoys which IMO are a lot more one sided than the landlord has. I could be prosecuted for 'throwing someone out on the street' who hasn't paid their rent for 6 months and getting my property back, but if they cause thousands worth of damage and steal items - it's a civil matter with no real chance of recourse for the landlord.
Anyway we're not going to agree on this - have a good day.
This, all day long. Anyway we're not going to agree on this - have a good day.
zuby84 said:
It's clear you've never been a landlord and we're looking at this from the opposite sides of the fence. I'm not talking about the practicalities, I'm talking about the rights which a tenant enjoys which IMO are a lot more one sided than the landlord has. I could be prosecuted for 'throwing someone out on the street' who hasn't paid their rent for 6 months and getting my property back, but if they cause thousands worth of damage and steal items - it's a civil matter with no real chance of recourse for the landlord.
Anyway we're not going to agree on this - have a good day.
What's clear to me is that you cant look at the provision or private and social housing in the UK without bias. I have seen it from both sides and annoying as it is when people take advantage, that legislation is there for a reason. Anyway we're not going to agree on this - have a good day.
98elise said:
economicpygmy said:
zuby84 said:
Tenants have a lot more rights than landlords do. That's a fact which doesn't sit well with me. All a symptom of the hand out culture. Like others have said all this means is more admin and potential liabilities for the landlord.
We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
Specifically; what are all these rights that a tenant has?We've traditionally had a lot of property rented to HB tenants, but we'rr trying to stay away from this. I know plenty of others who are doing the same. Dealing with the council and with tenants who expect the moon on a stick just isn't worth it. I think the councils are shooting themselves in the foot.
Now if you complained about something, it doesn't automatically mean you're suited to doing it are you?
- Deposit in TDS scheme;
- Yearly inspection of the boiler;
- 1 month notice period to leave (around 4 months if they dispute).
- Maintaining the properties gas, electrics, and water.
- Peaceful enjoyment of the property.
As Ive said, there are many tax payer funded schemes propping up housing costs of which landlords are a beneficiary. And as for HB tenants, I'm surprised you don't understand the level of benefits paid to those in work. Most benefit receivers are not the stereotypical out of work 'hand out culture' types.
They are the two biggest gripes for any landlord.
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