Sole Trader - New Van - Tax relief?

Sole Trader - New Van - Tax relief?

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Willhire89

Original Poster:

1,328 posts

205 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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I'm a sole trader

I'm considering a new van for £20k

What tax relief would I get on the purchase in FY 14/15?

I seem to remember my last one was staircased on an annual depreciation system - is it now in one lump?

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Willhire89 said:
What tax relief would I get on the purchase in FY 14/15?
None smile

Tax year 2014/15 ended on 5 April 2015.

I assume you will buy this van before 5 April 2016.

If you do, you will obtain Capital Allowances in tax year 2015/16.

Items such as vans (and other commercial vehicles) are legible for the 100% Annual Investment Allowance (AIA) which effectively means that the full purchase price of the vehicle can be offset against the business profits in the year of purchase.

You can claim the AIA if you

buy the vehicle outright
buy it using a bank loan
buy it using an HP

You CANNOT claim AIA if you lease or rent the vehicle.

Don't mix up Capital Allowances with Depreciation. Capital Allowances relate to tax relief. Deprecioation relates to teh accounts.

Willhire89

Original Poster:

1,328 posts

205 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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That's great - thank you for the reply.

Will indeed be a purchase in FY 15/16

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39,885 posts

196 months

Saturday 1st August 2015
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Eric Mc said:
You CANNOT claim AIA if you lease or rent the vehicle.
What about a Finance lease?

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Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Generally not.

You really do have to read the small print regarding ultimate ownership when looking at these agreements.

If the ownership of the asset DOES NOT pass to the hirer's ownership with the final payment, then the agreement is a lease/rent type agreement and the business cannot make the Capital Allowance claim on that asset. This is because the asset remains the property of the hiring/lease company for the entire duration of the lease and it is THEY who will be making the Capital Allowance claims.
This does not mean that the business cannot get tax relief on the asset. It's just that they don't get the tax relief using the capital allowance system.

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39,885 posts

196 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Ok

I'm possibly mixing accountancy rules with tax rules but Finance leases have to be capitalised "in the books" whereas operating leases are just a charge to the P&L.

Effectively finance leases are just another form of HP so (because of that) I think AIA would be allowable but its a moot point.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Sunday 2nd August 2015
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Countdown said:
Ok

I'm possibly mixing accountancy rules with tax rules but Finance leases have to be capitalised "in the books" whereas operating leases are just a charge to the P&L.

Effectively finance leases are just another form of HP so (because of that) I think AIA would be allowable but its a moot point.
It causes massive confusion.

Legally, a Lease Finance is different to a Hire Purchase.

Under Lease Finance, the leasee does not acquire any rights of possession at any time throughout the lease period. When the lease is completed, the leasee MAY have a further option to purchase the asset from the leasing company - but that is after the original agreement has ended and an extra payment will be required. Because the leasing company has full ownership and possession rights throughout the leasing period, HMRC does not allow the leasee to make any Capital Allowance claims on the asset


With a Hire Purchase, the hiree also does not own the asset during the hiring period. But they will automatically own the asset once the final hiring installment has been paid. Therefore, completing the hire payments in their entirety is enough to obtain full ownership. Also, during the hiring period, the hiree gradually obtains more rights of possession of the asset - which limits the way in which the hiring company can repossess the asset if the hiree defaults.
Because of these special rules of rights of possession and final ownership that are part of a Hire Purchase arrangment, HMRC DOES allow the hiree to claim the Capital Allowances on the asset.

megaphone

10,724 posts

251 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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Are you VAT registered? Full VAT back on vans.

Eric Mc

122,029 posts

265 months

Monday 3rd August 2015
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VAT on the full cost of the van can be recovered if the van is -

bought outright
bought using a bank/personal loan
bought using an HP

If the van is leased, the VAT is reclaimed on the monthly lease payments, not the vehicle cost.

Barker534

1 posts

73 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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Hello.
I got a 64 plate van in August the tax year is nearing the end. I have the van on hire purchase I was just wondering how much of it I can claim back when it comes to the tax thanks.

JulianPH

9,917 posts

114 months

Sunday 18th March 2018
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Eric is absolutely spot on. Great (and free) accountancy and legal advice.