Car insurance.... Increase

Car insurance.... Increase

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Sheepshanks

32,753 posts

119 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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Perhaps insurers are finally catching up due to all those BMWs being nicked due to the OBD port security hole.

Jobbo

12,972 posts

264 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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My 535i renewal went up, from £286 to £302. Esure. Still by far the cheapest quote - cheaper by £100 than a new quote with them for exactly the same policy.

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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Countdown said:
Who are you insured with?
Privilege

Wife on
Accurate miles
Also as always all the options which the first owner put on the car are listed as modifications (always been the case)

Jobbo

12,972 posts

264 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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Welshbeef said:
Also as always all the options which the first owner put on the car are listed as modifications (always been the case)
Well that's a bit silly since they're factory options, not modifications - find an insurer which views them differently.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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Jobbo said:
Well that's a bit silly since they're factory options, not modifications - find an insurer which views them differently.
Plenty of insurers what to know factory fitted options (for obvious reasons!).

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

198 months

Sunday 10th April 2016
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Jobbo said:
Well that's a bit silly since they're factory options, not modifications - find an insurer which views them differently.
If you don't list them down as options on your policy then come a situation car is a write off they only have the base car which they will pay out on. If you elect to exclude the options which enhance its value that's your call but clearly insurance cos want any reason not to pay out as much.

Jobbo

12,972 posts

264 months

Monday 11th April 2016
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sidicks said:
Jobbo said:
Well that's a bit silly since they're factory options, not modifications - find an insurer which views them differently.
Plenty of insurers what to know factory fitted options (for obvious reasons!).
Indeed, and plenty will bump up the premium if you instead describe them as modifications (for obvious reasons).

GT03ROB

13,262 posts

221 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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swerni said:
Maybe the insurer reads PH and recognised your name ?
LOL I had been thinking along similar lines but thought that would be too mean towards Welsh! Those Sunday night red wine fueled posts have come back to haunt him!

rofl

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

198 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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GT03ROB said:
swerni said:
Maybe the insurer reads PH and recognised your name ?
LOL I had been thinking along similar lines but thought that would be too mean towards Welsh! Those Sunday night red wine fueled posts have come back to haunt him!

rofl
smile

Sheepshanks

32,753 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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sidicks said:
Plenty of insurers what to know factory fitted options (for obvious reasons!).
It's always struck me as odd, but I've never dealt with an insurer who has wanted to know, and I was careful checking for my Merc as the original buyer put £7K worth of options on it.

Once the car is over a year old, so out of the new-for-old replacement cover, options make little difference to the value anyway. Metallic can be a chunky additional cost - over £1000 on my car as it came as part of a package - which insurer would take notice of that being declared? If anything, that should be important as it's harder to repair than flat paint.

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

198 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Sheepshanks said:
It's always struck me as odd, but I've never dealt with an insurer who has wanted to know, and I was careful checking for my Merc as the original buyer put £7K worth of options on it.

Once the car is over a year old, so out of the new-for-old replacement cover, options make little difference to the value anyway. Metallic can be a chunky additional cost - over £1000 on my car as it came as part of a package - which insurer would take notice of that being declared? If anything, that should be important as it's harder to repair than flat paint.
Well say

Leather seats
Heated seats
Electric seats
Automatic
Larger wheels and tyres
Pro navigation some £2.5k
TV
Rear entertainment system
Rear spoiler
Adaptive cruise control
Adaptive headlights
Comfort seats
Automatic parking
Speed limiter/speed awareness
360 degree panoramic parking view
Rear parking camera
Air cooled seats
Massaging seats
Adaptive suspension
5 year full service package
OEM extended warranty
Supaguard
Etc etc

It adds up to be significant extra. Sure if you buy a £12k brand new car options don't really make much difference but on higher end cars the first owner can be rocking those options boxes which is great for used buyers like me.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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You certainly wouldn't list them as modifications - just note the enhanced value when requesting a quote.

Try a couple of insurance brokers to compare to the direct writers and you can then be confident you have got the correct price.

Jobbo

12,972 posts

264 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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He doesn't have all those and some are standard anyway (leather, auto box). Just disclose whatever the insurer wants to know. The one time I was asked about options I started the list with smoker's pack and bored them into admitting they didn't care. I use an insurer now which doesn't ask the question.

Welshbeef

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49,633 posts

198 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Jobbo said:
He doesn't have all those and some are standard anyway (leather, auto box). Just disclose whatever the insurer wants to know. The one time I was asked about options I started the list with smoker's pack and bored them into admitting they didn't care. I use an insurer now which doesn't ask the question.
Correct I was simply listing lots of possible options a car could have - my options are listed in my garage profile and I quote these for note on the vehicle insurance.

lbc

3,215 posts

217 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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sidicks said:
Plenty of insurers what to know factory fitted options (for obvious reasons!).
I have never heard of that before, and never been asked in over 30 years of insurers.

Sheepshanks

32,753 posts

119 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Welshbeef said:
- my options are listed in my garage profile and I quote these for note on the vehicle insurance.
..where you note them as options.

Earlier in the thread you said modifications - I wouldn't be surprised if saying the word "modification" to an insurer added 25% to the premium.

I'm not up to date with current premiums, but colleagues in the SE have always been amazed that I only pay £200/yr (with £100 excess) in the NW for my Merc. I'm sure they typically pay in the £4-500 range.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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Sheepshanks said:
..where you note them as options.

Earlier in the thread you said modifications - I wouldn't be surprised if saying the word "modification" to an insurer added 25% to the premium.

I'm not up to date with current premiums, but colleagues in the SE have always been amazed that I only pay £200/yr (with £100 excess) in the NW for my Merc. I'm sure they typically pay in the £4-500 range.
Strictly speaking aren't options 'modifications to the vehicle's standard specification' ?

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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sidicks said:
Strictly speaking aren't options 'modifications to the vehicle's standard specification' ?
Not in this context no.

sidicks

25,218 posts

221 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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desolate said:
sidicks said:
Strictly speaking aren't options 'modifications to the vehicle's standard specification' ?
Not in this context no.
I think some insurers see it differently.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 12th April 2016
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sidicks said:
I think some insurers see it differently.
I'd be interested in knowing which ones as I have been an insurance broker since 1994 and I don't know of one that asks and none of the quote systems have the ability to reference the information.

Even if they did they couldn't decline a claim on such grounds.

However there is nearly always an argument regarding value.