European Union - Ramifications
Discussion
twoblacklines said:
I see plenty of other opportunities for farmers. If you own a ton of acres why not build solar farms on all of it? Free money (minus security and maintenance)
One thing is absolutely certain, UK is NOT globally competitive in terms of annual hours of sunlight per square metre....Dr Jekyll said:
What do you propose to do about Tate and Lyle that are crippled by tariffs on Caribbean sugar Beet designed to protect EU producers? Presumably you want more subsidies to protect Tate and Lyle, and so it goes on.
Apologies, missed this post as it was a reply to someone else, thanks for a good current example - exactly what I was looking for. If I had read about enough of these it may knock me off the fence.I was a heart out, head in voter but head won in the end as my career could be severely impacted by the out. Hope we can make the most of the opportunity to re-negotiate, May seems smart at least.
So we are now in August, and the world has not ended like Remain told us it would if we left. In fact I don't even see any changes at all?
Question is will our new PM actually get us out of the EU or will it be swept under the carpet in the hope that the country forgets? She was a Remainer after all...
Question is will our new PM actually get us out of the EU or will it be swept under the carpet in the hope that the country forgets? She was a Remainer after all...
twoblacklines said:
Question is will our new PM actually get us out of the EU or will it be swept under the carpet in the hope that the country forgets? She was a Remainer after all...
Grauniad, quoting Theresa May during leadership contest."Brexit means Brexit”
May also promised categorically that Britain would leave the EU, with no attempts to “remain through the back door”.
“The country voted to leave the European Union, and it is the duty of the government and of parliament to make sure we do just that,” she said.
I've not heard anything to lead me to believe that we will not leave but the transition seems to be being done so slowly that most of us will probably not notice. Today they are asking the farmers what they want from our brave new world so things are happening. Also, I think the Hinkley Point power station was delayed as a bargaining tool to negotiate a better trade deal with France.
More of a worry is the ever depressed economy which is still growing supposedly but it feels like we never recovered from 2008. The state of global unrest, growing wealth divide and lack of confidence bothers me. As Will I Am said "where is the love?"
More of a worry is the ever depressed economy which is still growing supposedly but it feels like we never recovered from 2008. The state of global unrest, growing wealth divide and lack of confidence bothers me. As Will I Am said "where is the love?"
twoblacklines said:
So we are now in August, and the world has not ended like Remain told us it would if we left. In fact I don't even see any changes at all?
Question is will our new PM actually get us out of the EU or will it be swept under the carpet in the hope that the country forgets? She was a Remainer after all...
What exactly would you expect to see, we haven't even triggered the article to begin leave negotiations yet. The two post-vote predictions were a pound crash (has happened and remains low), and a market panic (happened, predictably stabilised). The long term economic implication will only begin to be known as we move closer to an actual exit. The fact remains, nobody knows what Brexit really means for the country.Question is will our new PM actually get us out of the EU or will it be swept under the carpet in the hope that the country forgets? She was a Remainer after all...
rsbmw said:
The long term economic implication will only begin to be known as we move closer to an actual exit. The fact remains, nobody knows what Brexit really means for the country.
Take a look out of the window and you'll see the economy slowing as you watch. Just because it won't show in the figures until they are reported later this year doesn't mean it's not happening.You may have noticed earlier this week it was already being said that the current state pension increases are "too generous" and "not affordable". Add to that the further government stalling of virtually every major project - Heathrow? Hinkley Point? - and you can bet your bottom dollar that most big businesses are doing the same thing.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Take a look out of the window and you'll see the economy slowing as you watch. Just because it won't show in the figures until they are reported later this year doesn't mean it's not happening.
You may have noticed earlier this week it was already being said that the current state pension increases are "too generous" and "not affordable". Add to that the further government stalling of virtually every major project - Heathrow? Hinkley Point? - and you can bet your bottom dollar that most big businesses are doing the same thing.
We now have a number of projects on hold (circa £36m of construction contracts) and are delaying land acquisition on a further 10. We are only progressing land deals where we can agree a "no-recourse" walk away clause.You may have noticed earlier this week it was already being said that the current state pension increases are "too generous" and "not affordable". Add to that the further government stalling of virtually every major project - Heathrow? Hinkley Point? - and you can bet your bottom dollar that most big businesses are doing the same thing.
Our cost of money (investment funding) has increased by between 25 and 50 bips, making a number of projects unviable.
Ozzie Osmond said:
You may have noticed earlier this week it was already being said that the current state pension increases are "too generous" and "not affordable". Add to that the further government stalling of virtually every major project - Heathrow?
I don't disagree with you in general and I think this was to be expected with Brexit but I'd suggest that for the two items above the triple lock it has been widely known that this was unaffordable long before the refernedum and delays to the Heathrow expansion certainly haven't happened solely since Brexit either, they've been going on for years.KimJongHealthy said:
One of the dumbest arguments in the discussion is the one about "choosing your own leaders, not someone in the EU parliament". Has anyone voted for Theresa May? No? Wait, I thought you'll get to chose your own leaders now? 
Yes, that's the real classic.The turkeys voted for Christmas and lunch-time is rapidly approaching.
Ozzie Osmond said:
KimJongHealthy said:
One of the dumbest arguments in the discussion is the one about "choosing your own leaders, not someone in the EU parliament". Has anyone voted for Theresa May? No? Wait, I thought you'll get to chose your own leaders now?
Yes, that's the real classic.The turkeys voted for Christmas and lunch-time is rapidly approaching.
Simpo Two said:
Theresa May is at least British and should have British interests at the top, unlike Jean-Claude Juncker who isn't and doesn't.
And what's all this 'old farts' crap? Why was this election sliced up by age anyway - general elections aren't - young t
ts gave me 13 years of New Labour!
This wasn't an election. There's no going back, not even after 13 years. Age is particualtly relevant as it will take around 10 years for all this to unfold and a lot of people that didn't even get a chance to vote will be having to live with the consequences longest.And what's all this 'old farts' crap? Why was this election sliced up by age anyway - general elections aren't - young t
ts gave me 13 years of New Labour!Of course, it's going to be a land of milk and honey, so they will have a lifetime to thank us for this.
SELON said:
This wasn't an election. There's no going back, not even after 13 years. Age is particualtly relevant as it will take around 10 years for all this to unfold and a lot of people that didn't even get a chance to vote will be having to live with the consequences longest.
Of course, it's going to be a land of milk and honey, so they will have a lifetime to thank us for this.
The EU was a stealth cancer. Sadly many Britons have never lived in a country that isn't told what to do by others. They've never known anything else.Of course, it's going to be a land of milk and honey, so they will have a lifetime to thank us for this.
And how about the consequences of staying in? Did you consider those? How many bankrupt countries do you want your taxes to pay for? (as well as the gravy train of self-serving stuffed shirts all making rules for you to obey?). EEC was what we voted for, not a monstrous EU.
KimJongHealthy said:
This whole "majority" argument is simply flawed. Majority by a very small margin, mostly old farts who will be dead by the time anything happens so they don't care much about the effect of their dreams about bringing back post-war Britain they have fond memories of.
37.5% of the Electorate voted for Brexit.KimJongHealthy said:
And of those who voted to leave, many regretted it the very next day once they googled "what is EU" - that was the most popular google search on the day after referendum, and once they saw Brexit campaigners backing up from their claims and promises.
We have no information on who was doing the search - Leavers or Remainers.KimJongHealthy said:
This whole "majority" argument is simply flawed. Majority by a very small margin blah
12 points and rising just before Jo Cox's murder:http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/eu-refere...
but don't let reality obscure your views.
Well it's going to happen, I voted to leave and I'm glad our departure is imminent as I believe still that we will be better off in the long term as a result. We won't go under as the wealthy have too much invested already to let it happen. Money like energy is never destroyed, it's just moves from one place to another.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 3rd August 18:09
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