£25,000. Buy a car or Btl

£25,000. Buy a car or Btl

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drainbrain

5,637 posts

112 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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gregs1959 said:
Nope didn't run away , I'm just curious how people see things. Unfortunately I'm old school, brought up on a council estate, started an apprenticeship at 16 and worked bloody hard for many years.

Was fortunate enough to get into purchasing property 20 years ago. Even took the odd bank loan out for deposits. Then used the banks money to self finance further purchases to 20+.

Only have 2 BTL and 6 on capital and repayment. Rest all paid for, and I'm fortunate enough to be semi retired and pay someone to manage and repair although I do have my finger on what's going on.

As for pensions I lost confidence in those years ago when after paying £200.00 month in, at the end of the year they had made nearly nothing. So went into property. Now have a small pension of ....... wait for it £145.00 per month ....

My trouble is ....... and I know u can't take it with u is I find it hard to spend extravagantly having worked hard and learnt the value of money. I have quite a large amount of savings but see this as a comfort thing if that makes sense. Could quite easily go out and buy a new super car but ...... I just cant.

Silly I know but there u go. I
So what's the point in accumulating? Are you saving up for something, looking forward to leaving it to someone else to enjoy, or is it just pointless?

I mean, pointless is ok, but it's a tough one to face yourself with, especially as you grow older.

Zoon

6,710 posts

122 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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drainbrain said:
gregs1959 said:
Nope didn't run away , I'm just curious how people see things. Unfortunately I'm old school, brought up on a council estate, started an apprenticeship at 16 and worked bloody hard for many years.

Was fortunate enough to get into purchasing property 20 years ago. Even took the odd bank loan out for deposits. Then used the banks money to self finance further purchases to 20+.

Only have 2 BTL and 6 on capital and repayment. Rest all paid for, and I'm fortunate enough to be semi retired and pay someone to manage and repair although I do have my finger on what's going on.

As for pensions I lost confidence in those years ago when after paying £200.00 month in, at the end of the year they had made nearly nothing. So went into property. Now have a small pension of ....... wait for it £145.00 per month ....

My trouble is ....... and I know u can't take it with u is I find it hard to spend extravagantly having worked hard and learnt the value of money. I have quite a large amount of savings but see this as a comfort thing if that makes sense. Could quite easily go out and buy a new super car but ...... I just cant.

Silly I know but there u go. I
So what's the point in accumulating? Are you saving up for something, looking forward to leaving it to someone else to enjoy, or is it just pointless?

I mean, pointless is ok, but it's a tough one to face yourself with, especially as you grow older.
A good phrase I heard many years ago is "There's no point being the richest man in the graveyard"

drainbrain

5,637 posts

112 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Zoon said:
A good phrase I heard many years ago is "There's no point being the richest man in the graveyard"
The Book of Ecclesiastes has much to say.

DonkeyApple

55,389 posts

170 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Zoon said:
A good phrase I heard many years ago is "There's no point being the richest man in the graveyard"
I think that only applies to homosexuals. For people who have passed their genes on them it's obviously a very silly mantra.

drainbrain

5,637 posts

112 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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….and so, the wealth passed from generation to generation. Each one adding to it and denying himself the fruits of his labour, comforted in self denial by the knowledge that it would pass to the next generation undiminished. The generations passed and the wealth grew and grew….

Then, one day, there was a nuclear war…….

oh dearrolleyes


Edited by drainbrain on Tuesday 6th December 21:26

Jockman

17,917 posts

161 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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Lol you were doing so well ......

DonkeyApple

55,389 posts

170 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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drainbrain said:
….and so, the wealth passed from generation to generation. Each one adding to it and denying himself the fruits of his labour, comforted in self denial by the knowledge that it would pass to the next generation undiminished. The generations passed and the wealth grew and grew….

Then, one day, there was a nuclear war…….

oh dearrolleyes


Edited by drainbrain on Tuesday 6th December 21:26
Why would anyone be denying themselves anything? You are so amusingly melodramatic. When you have excess wealth you don't have to go and blow it all like a queen, most will utilise it in a more intelligent manner and move their genes forward.

EddieSteadyGo

11,972 posts

204 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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sidicks said:
The OP has £25k.

He can put £15k into a pension (and let HMRC top it up to £25k) or
He can spend £15k on a holiday or
He can spend £15k on coke and hookers or
He can gamble and lose £15k at the local Casino.

In all cases he will have £10k left to spend on a car.
Not often I agree with sidicks but this thread did make me chuckle and I thought sidicks' explanation nicely succinct.

If only it really were possible to make a pension contribution and spend some of the tax relief straight away on a car. If only!

rufusgti

2,530 posts

193 months

Tuesday 6th December 2016
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drainbrain said:
….and so, the wealth passed from generation to generation. Each one adding to it and denying himself the fruits of his labour, comforted in self denial by the knowledge that it would pass to the next generation undiminished. The generations passed and the wealth grew and grew….

Then, one day, there was a nuclear war…….

oh dearrolleyes


Edited by drainbrain on Tuesday 6th December 21:26
You have stated in another thread that your children will be left a healthy amount. So please, don't mock people perhaps less fortunate than yourself for trying to do the same beer

Isn't it really the case that as we get older we see less value in frivolous purchases of things like cars, expensive luxuries etc. As we become to see value in the real things that give us happiness. I'd much rather my kids had a solid financial platform to help make their lives less of a struggle than see me poncing round in a sports car. A bit of both would be nice though laugh

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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EddieSteadyGo said:
Not often I agree with sidicks but this thread did make me chuckle and I thought sidicks' explanation nicely succinct.
I knew you'd come round to my way of thinking eventually!
beer

EddieSteadyGo said:
If only it really were possible to make a pension contribution and spend some of the tax relief straight away on a car. If only!
I can sort of see that if you wanted to invest £25k you could either:
A) Invest £25k in an asset
B) Invest £15k into a pension which gets topped up to £25k, leaving you with £10k to spend on something else

But, for obvious reasons, those scenarios are not equivalent, so I still maintain it's a misleading comparison!

Doofus

25,829 posts

174 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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gregs1959 said:
Nope didn't run away , I'm just curious how people see things. Unfortunately I'm old school, brought up on a council estate, started an apprenticeship at 16 and worked bloody hard for many years.

Was fortunate enough to get into purchasing property 20 years ago. Even took the odd bank loan out for deposits. Then used the banks money to self finance further purchases to 20+.

Only have 2 BTL and 6 on capital and repayment. Rest all paid for, and I'm fortunate enough to be semi retired and pay someone to manage and repair although I do have my finger on what's going on.

As for pensions I lost confidence in those years ago when after paying £200.00 month in, at the end of the year they had made nearly nothing. So went into property. Now have a small pension of ....... wait for it £145.00 per month ....

My trouble is ....... and I know u can't take it with u is I find it hard to spend extravagantly having worked hard and learnt the value of money. I have quite a large amount of savings but see this as a comfort thing if that makes sense. Could quite easily go out and buy a new super car but ...... I just cant.

Silly I know but there u go. I
So if you could afford a supercar, but are prepred to put money into a new btl, then why not get the btl and a £25k car. Your need to come here and ask advice makes no sense, and your 'dilemma' is meaningless.

Sorry, but this is either a very poor atempt to show off, or it's BS.

DonkeyApple

55,389 posts

170 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Doofus said:
gregs1959 said:
Nope didn't run away , I'm just curious how people see things. Unfortunately I'm old school, brought up on a council estate, started an apprenticeship at 16 and worked bloody hard for many years.

Was fortunate enough to get into purchasing property 20 years ago. Even took the odd bank loan out for deposits. Then used the banks money to self finance further purchases to 20+.

Only have 2 BTL and 6 on capital and repayment. Rest all paid for, and I'm fortunate enough to be semi retired and pay someone to manage and repair although I do have my finger on what's going on.

As for pensions I lost confidence in those years ago when after paying £200.00 month in, at the end of the year they had made nearly nothing. So went into property. Now have a small pension of ....... wait for it £145.00 per month ....

My trouble is ....... and I know u can't take it with u is I find it hard to spend extravagantly having worked hard and learnt the value of money. I have quite a large amount of savings but see this as a comfort thing if that makes sense. Could quite easily go out and buy a new super car but ...... I just cant.

Silly I know but there u go. I
So if you could afford a supercar, but are prepred to put money into a new btl, then why not get the btl and a £25k car. Your need to come here and ask advice makes no sense, and your 'dilemma' is meaningless.

Sorry, but this is either a very poor atempt to show off, or it's BS.
Or it's Groak again? smile

drainbrain

5,637 posts

112 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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rufusgti said:
drainbrain said:
….and so, the wealth passed from generation to generation. Each one adding to it and denying himself the fruits of his labour, comforted in self denial by the knowledge that it would pass to the next generation undiminished. The generations passed and the wealth grew and grew….

Then, one day, there was a nuclear war…….

oh dearrolleyes


Edited by drainbrain on Tuesday 6th December 21:26
You have stated in another thread that your children will be left a healthy amount. So please, don't mock people perhaps less fortunate than yourself for trying to do the same beer
Not me, Rufus. Only have one son and he certainly doesn't need me to make him a living. Nor would I be interested in him (rather than me) enjoying the fruits of my labour. That would be like a curse. I can see a point in giving money to your kids if they need it, but not if they really don't.

drainbrain

5,637 posts

112 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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Doofus said:
gregs1959 said:
Nope didn't run away , I'm just curious how people see things. Unfortunately I'm old school, brought up on a council estate, started an apprenticeship at 16 and worked bloody hard for many years.

Was fortunate enough to get into purchasing property 20 years ago. Even took the odd bank loan out for deposits. Then used the banks money to self finance further purchases to 20+.

Only have 2 BTL and 6 on capital and repayment. Rest all paid for, and I'm fortunate enough to be semi retired and pay someone to manage and repair although I do have my finger on what's going on.

As for pensions I lost confidence in those years ago when after paying £200.00 month in, at the end of the year they had made nearly nothing. So went into property. Now have a small pension of ....... wait for it £145.00 per month ....

My trouble is ....... and I know u can't take it with u is I find it hard to spend extravagantly having worked hard and learnt the value of money. I have quite a large amount of savings but see this as a comfort thing if that makes sense. Could quite easily go out and buy a new super car but ...... I just cant.

Silly I know but there u go. I
So if you could afford a supercar, but are prepred to put money into a new btl, then why not get the btl and a £25k car. Your need to come here and ask advice makes no sense, and your 'dilemma' is meaningless.

Sorry, but this is either a very poor atempt to show off, or it's BS.
Well how about this for a plan:

The £25k becomes the savings. The "large amount of savings" gets spent on a number of unburdened btls. Their rent finances the super car lease. And when/if the 'supercar boredom' sets in, the car gets dumped and so too do the btls, returning the cash to the large amount of savings and the £25k gets spent on a modest not-super car. The btls could always get kept and their rent added to the 'comforting' ever-increasing even larger amount of savings which, assuming this man is determined not to enjoy the fruit of his labours or attains an age where the attraction of material goods significantly pales, he can then pass on to his successors leaving them the dilemma to resolve as to what to do with your money.

If they've any sense, they'll spend it on whatever best pleases them. As he would if he had any (sense).









Edited by drainbrain on Wednesday 7th December 11:41

EddieSteadyGo

11,972 posts

204 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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sidicks said:
But, for obvious reasons, those scenarios are not equivalent, so I still maintain it's a misleading comparison!
+1

sidicks

25,218 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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drainbrain said:
Well how about this for a plan:

The £25k becomes the savings. The "large amount of savings" gets spent on a number of unburdened btls.
Unburdened? You mean with no mortgage?
How many can you realistically buy for £25k in an area that the OP is comfortable with?

drainbrain said:
Their rent finances the super car lease.
How much rent are these going to actually bring in that can be relied on to fund a lease? Unlikely to fund a super car, I would have thought!

drainbrain said:
And when/if the 'supercar boredom' sets in, the car gets dumped and so too do the btls, returning the cash to the large amount of savings and the £25k gets spent on a modest not-super car. The btls could always get kept and their rent added to the 'comforting' ever-increasing even larger amount of savings which, assuming this man is determined not to enjoy the fruit of his labours or attains an age where the attraction of material goods significantly pales, he can then pass on to his successors leaving them the dilemma to resolve as to what to do with your money.

If they've any sense, they'll spend it on whatever best pleases them. As he would if he had any (sense).
Presumably leaving something to his children is part of 'what pleases him'...

Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 7th December 12:53

NickCQ

5,392 posts

97 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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DonkeyApple said:
Doofus said:
gregs1959 said:
Nope didn't run away , I'm just curious how people see things. Unfortunately I'm old school, brought up on a council estate, started an apprenticeship at 16 and worked bloody hard for many years.

Was fortunate enough to get into purchasing property 20 years ago. Even took the odd bank loan out for deposits. Then used the banks money to self finance further purchases to 20+.

Only have 2 BTL and 6 on capital and repayment. Rest all paid for, and I'm fortunate enough to be semi retired and pay someone to manage and repair although I do have my finger on what's going on.

As for pensions I lost confidence in those years ago when after paying £200.00 month in, at the end of the year they had made nearly nothing. So went into property. Now have a small pension of ....... wait for it £145.00 per month ....

My trouble is ....... and I know u can't take it with u is I find it hard to spend extravagantly having worked hard and learnt the value of money. I have quite a large amount of savings but see this as a comfort thing if that makes sense. Could quite easily go out and buy a new super car but ...... I just cant.

Silly I know but there u go. I
So if you could afford a supercar, but are prepred to put money into a new btl, then why not get the btl and a £25k car. Your need to come here and ask advice makes no sense, and your 'dilemma' is meaningless.

Sorry, but this is either a very poor atempt to show off, or it's BS.
Or it's Groak again? smile
Or the supercar is an M135i...

drainbrain

5,637 posts

112 months

Wednesday 7th December 2016
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sidicks said:
drainbrain said:
Well how about this for a plan:

The £25k becomes the savings. The "large amount of savings" gets spent on a number of unburdened btls.
Unburdened? You mean with no mortgage?
How many can you realistically buy for £25k in an area that the OP is comfortable with?

drainbrain said:
Their rent finances the super car lease.
How much rent are these going to actually bring in that can be relied on to fund a lease? Unlikely to fund a super car, I would have thought!

drainbrain said:
And when/if the 'supercar boredom' sets in, the car gets dumped and so too do the btls, returning the cash to the large amount of savings and the £25k gets spent on a modest not-super car. The btls could always get kept and their rent added to the 'comforting' ever-increasing even larger amount of savings which, assuming this man is determined not to enjoy the fruit of his labours or attains an age where the attraction of material goods significantly pales, he can then pass on to his successors leaving them the dilemma to resolve as to what to do with your money.

If they've any sense, they'll spend it on whatever best pleases them. As he would if he had any (sense).

Presumably leaving something to his children is part of 'what pleases him'…

Edited by drainbrain on Wednesday 7th December 11:35[/footnote]
[footnote]Edited by sidicks on Wednesday 7th December 11:48
No no, the £25k BECOMES the savings. The existing 'large amount of savings' is what gets spent on the unburdened/mortgage free btls which in turn finance the lease. A few should be enough to service a £2-2.5kpcm lease which allows him to use a pretty decent car. Until he's bored with it or grows out of it and then turns the btls back into the comfort-money so he can presumably enact the next inevitable part of this somehow really sad plan.

And of course he can't really tell if leaving something to his children will please him because he's never done it, and will be dead when he does.The best pleasure he can expect to get to is THE IDEA of leaving something to his children. If contemplating an idea is 'enjoying the fruits of your labour' then I'm a Dutchman. And just imagine if the kids were daft enough to think the same. Who eventually DOES get to enjoy the fruits of all this labour?



Edited by drainbrain on Wednesday 7th December 14:45