Voluntary termination of PCP

Voluntary termination of PCP

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stepmeek

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164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Butter Face said:
PM me the reg and I'll do a quick HPI for you.
Thank you, PM sent. Cancel that, E-mail sent via pistonheads, not sure how PM system works on here!

Edited by stepmeek on Thursday 19th January 10:57

essayer

9,064 posts

194 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Can you post up the first page of your agreement with anything personal removed?

If you don't have a copy your finance company should be able to email it

Butter Face

30,294 posts

160 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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stepmeek said:
Butter Face said:
PM me the reg and I'll do a quick HPI for you.
Thank you, PM sent
Finance is with Santander, recorded against VRM/VIN but does show as Personal Loan. You don't get VT rights under personal loan terms.

Time to dig out your agreement, selling dealer should have made it clear that it is a personal loan NOT hire purchase!

stepmeek

Original Poster:

164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Butter Face said:
Finance is with Santander, recorded against VRM/VIN but does show as Personal Loan. You don't get VT rights under personal loan terms.

Time to dig out your agreement, selling dealer should have made it clear that it is a personal loan NOT hire purchase!
Oh for f*** sake. Totally misleading then as even the paperwork has PCP headers all over it. We were lead to believe it was a PCP when we bought the car. I didn't know personal loan could be had with a car and a balloon payment at the end was even possible, is this quite common?

essayer

9,064 posts

194 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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eek
Is it worth getting a loan to pay off the finance then sell privately/WBAC etc?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Sounds like a car salesman may be having a difficult conversation soon!

essayer

9,064 posts

194 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Butter Face

30,294 posts

160 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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stepmeek said:
Butter Face said:
Finance is with Santander, recorded against VRM/VIN but does show as Personal Loan. You don't get VT rights under personal loan terms.

Time to dig out your agreement, selling dealer should have made it clear that it is a personal loan NOT hire purchase!
Oh for f*** sake. Totally misleading then as even the paperwork has PCP headers all over it. We were lead to believe it was a PCP when we bought the car. I didn't know personal loan could be had with a car and a balloon payment at the end was even possible, is this quite common?
Not overly common. Done a few with Santander over the years. Not a fan of doing PL stuff at all really, makes more sense for the customer to get their own finance from the bank!

But this does look like PL with a Balloon rather than PCP. Would need to see the finance docs to confirm.

stepmeek

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164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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essayer said:
Yes, looking at that, it seems exactly what it is. Note right at the top of the page it says:
"A Fixed Sum Loan with Guaranteed Final Payment is not available as a standard product choice. We may offer you this product as part of our underwriting conditions. Your dealer will make you aware of this after your application for finance has been received and assessed by us."

So my wife has applied for PCP, not got it for whatever reason (I find it hard to believe she failed a credit check as she has a mortage in her own name), and we have then been refereed to a loan deal. At no point were we told about this change.

Who should I contact in the first place to complain about this. Volvo, Santander or the car dealership?

stepmeek

Original Poster:

164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Butter Face said:
Not overly common. Done a few with Santander over the years. Not a fan of doing PL stuff at all really, makes more sense for the customer to get their own finance from the bank!

But this does look like PL with a Balloon rather than PCP. Would need to see the finance docs to confirm.
Thanks for the help. Would you mind if i sent you a PM with a picture of the document. The issue I am having with it is that we have an explanation document for a "fixed sum loan" with a customer copy agreement stapled to the back that looks to me as if it is for PCP.

stepmeek

Original Poster:

164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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essayer said:
eek
Is it worth getting a loan to pay off the finance then sell privately/WBAC etc?
Yeah it may be. My main concern right now is speaking to the salesman in question. Very interested to see what paperwork they have at the dealership signed from my wife as I had absolutely no idea we weren't taking out a PCP

Butter Face

30,294 posts

160 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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stepmeek said:
Butter Face said:
Not overly common. Done a few with Santander over the years. Not a fan of doing PL stuff at all really, makes more sense for the customer to get their own finance from the bank!

But this does look like PL with a Balloon rather than PCP. Would need to see the finance docs to confirm.
Thanks for the help. Would you mind if i sent you a PM with a picture of the document. The issue I am having with it is that we have an explanation document for a "fixed sum loan" with a customer copy agreement stapled to the back that looks to me as if it is for PCP.
Yeah of course, send it along.

Mattt

16,661 posts

218 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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I guessed Volvo as my OH had exactly the same thing, and it wasn't explained what the implications were.

She had good credit scores too, so doubt she'd fail a credit check.

HTP99

22,539 posts

140 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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I seem to re-call; this was a while ago now, 10 or so years, Fiat started to use personal loans as opposed to HP or PCP on their cars as too many were being VT'd halfway through the agreements, costing Fiat rather a lot.

stepmeek

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164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Mattt said:
I guessed Volvo as my OH had exactly the same thing, and it wasn't explained what the implications were.

She had good credit scores too, so doubt she'd fail a credit check.
It's really poor. My fault for not going through the paperwork more thoroughly and questioning it. However the way it is worded with final payment and mileage charges etc it looks to be a PCP

stepmeek

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164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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HTP99 said:
I seem to re-call; this was a while ago now, 10 or so years, Fiat started to use personal loans as opposed to HP or PCP on their cars as too many were being VT'd halfway through the agreements, costing Fiat rather a lot.
yeah it's probably what they have done, if they aren'e making people aware at the point of sale though then that is not right.

stepmeek

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164 posts

113 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Butter Face said:
Yeah of course, send it along.
Thank you, PM sent

Jobbo

12,972 posts

264 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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stepmeek said:
Mattt said:
I guessed Volvo as my OH had exactly the same thing, and it wasn't explained what the implications were.

She had good credit scores too, so doubt she'd fail a credit check.
It's really poor. My fault for not going through the paperwork more thoroughly and questioning it. However the way it is worded with final payment and mileage charges etc it looks to be a PCP
If there's no right to return the car at the end of the agreement, why on earth are there mileage charges? That Santander link clearly states you can return the car at the end of the agreement, so surely it's a PCP secured on the car?

ETA: there is even a section in the FAQ for the linked Santander finance which goes into VT - it's definitely a PCP if it's that.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Jobbo said:
If there's no right to return the car at the end of the agreement, why on earth are there mileage charges? That Santander link clearly states you can return the car at the end of the agreement, so surely it's a PCP secured on the car?

ETA: there is even a section in the FAQ for the linked Santander finance which goes into VT - it's definitely a PCP if it's that.
Although it also says that you OWN the car from the start.

esxste

3,677 posts

106 months

Thursday 19th January 2017
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Wow looking at that link... no wonder you got confused, the way it is designed makes you think its a classic PCP.