£4.5 million - enough to not have to work again?

£4.5 million - enough to not have to work again?

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big ant

305 posts

172 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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OK, so assuming 4.5m, and you give up your lifetime career and therefore skillset.

You'll invest, whether bored or otherwise, you'll invest the pot.

With or without IFAs support, mistakes will be made, even small ones will feel 'big', so you'll up your risk level to try and recover.

With 'easy' 20-30% losses achieved in most asset classes, wiping out 1m from capital base will occur, sooner or later.

Throw in costs of lawyers, accountants, etc never previously needed. Tax can be assumed at 50% (blended average)....and soon the large pot has shrunk, costs are higher, and tax rates eating 50% of gains and earnings.

If yu get there quickly or by luck, and want to stop your career...take a year to read read read, learn skillset about risk, asset allocation, asset classes, etc....then decide if still need some IFA, even as a 2nd opinion.

4.5m could quickly become 6.0m....but in 18 months could easily go sub-3.0

BA


trowelhead

1,867 posts

121 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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red_slr said:
456GT said:
red_slr said:
If you read Mr Money Moustache forums (finance / early retirement forum)

....
This is life-changing stuff, one of the most useful blogs I've read in a long while.

Thank you, sir!
Welcome. I have only been taking part seriously for a few months but it really makes you think. The forum is very active. Mostly US based but a fair few UK peeps.
Just don't go too far with it all or before you know it you'll be "retired" living in a van in a car park outside milton keynes, foraging your meals from the bins behind aldi laugh

SkrrSkrr

261 posts

89 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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If OP had take my call he would be up over a 100 points (30k) whistle

How many months rent would that have been?

p1stonhead

25,549 posts

167 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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SkrrSkrr said:
If OP had take my call he would be up over a 100 points (30k) whistle

How many months rent would that have been?
He could just as easily gone to a casino and put it on black. No difference and gambling is not relevent to planning for retirement.

drainbrain

5,637 posts

111 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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SkrrSkrr said:
If OP had take my call he would be up over a 100 points (30k) whistle

How many months rent would that have been?
About 20 days worth on my plan lick

Centurion07

10,381 posts

247 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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swerni said:
Minor detail, but you do realise that 40% isn't the top tax bracket, don't you?
I'm unfortunate enough to not have to worry what the top rate is. rofl

It's 50% now, isn't it?

swatches

88 posts

155 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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Centurion07 said:
It's 50% now, isn't it?
Was reduced to 45%
https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates/current-rates-...

drainbrain

5,637 posts

111 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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swatches said:
Centurion07 said:
It's 50% now, isn't it?
Was reduced to 45%
https://www.gov.uk/income-tax-rates/current-rates-...
Personal allowance gets tinkered with too over £100k. That's worth a few percent.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

161 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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FTSE is up 0.15% on the open this morning.

£4.5million in an index tracker bought last night would have made £6750 since breakfast.

nct001

733 posts

133 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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I'd still need to work... well sort of work.

The allure of buying a proper proper gaff for £4 million would be too enticing.


Wacky Racer

38,165 posts

247 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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Jon39 said:
Easy, unless you become involved with big boats, or racing cars.

However, always keep in mind Mr. Warren Buffett's quote, about cash and cash equivalents.

Try not to worry too much, about your inheritance tax liability.
Rule no 1. Never lose money.

Rule no 2. Never forget rule number 1.


Warren Buffett.

Hoofy

76,372 posts

282 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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fido said:
Hoofy said:
If the latter why not start a business with a small amount of that savings?
To be fair, if you are challenged by what to do with your life if £4.5m arrives in your current account - then working for yourself would be a mammoth leap in to the unknown.
hehe

I run two businesses and a charity. Therefore, I would be happy to take on the challenge of receiving £4.5m into my account. I accept BACS.

m3jappa

6,431 posts

218 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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If losing any is a problem I just don't get why you would do anything with it apart from perhaps try and find a decent interest account (which I agree won't amount to much).
Why not just buy a few property's for a modest income (but still more than most of the population) and enjoy the (hopefully) rent and capital gain, and leave an asset for the family.
Like I said earlier if you assume he's going to live for 30 more years that's 90k a year in your pocket to spend on coke, hookers and possibly haribos. Not bad.

I do have to laugh on here, 99.9% of the worlds population could only dream of having that much money at any age.

SkrrSkrr

261 posts

89 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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p1stonhead said:
He could just as easily gone to a casino and put it on black. No difference and gambling is not relevent to planning for retirement.
All investments are a gamble

red_slr

17,250 posts

189 months

Thursday 26th January 2017
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trowelhead said:
red_slr said:
456GT said:
red_slr said:
If you read Mr Money Moustache forums (finance / early retirement forum)

....
This is life-changing stuff, one of the most useful blogs I've read in a long while.

Thank you, sir!
Welcome. I have only been taking part seriously for a few months but it really makes you think. The forum is very active. Mostly US based but a fair few UK peeps.
Just don't go too far with it all or before you know it you'll be "retired" living in a van in a car park outside milton keynes, foraging your meals from the bins behind aldi laugh
Yeah one of the current threads is "I washed my clothes in a lake" and "what did you not buy today"....

SkrrSkrr

261 posts

89 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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FredClogs said:
FTSE is up 0.15% on the open this morning.

£4.5million in an index tracker bought last night would have made £6750 since breakfast.
Whats a good site/book to read up about index trackers?

p1stonhead

25,549 posts

167 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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SkrrSkrr said:
FredClogs said:
FTSE is up 0.15% on the open this morning.

£4.5million in an index tracker bought last night would have made £6750 since breakfast.
Whats a good site/book to read up about index trackers?
Monevator.

SkrrSkrr

261 posts

89 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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p1stonhead said:
SkrrSkrr said:
FredClogs said:
FTSE is up 0.15% on the open this morning.

£4.5million in an index tracker bought last night would have made £6750 since breakfast.
Whats a good site/book to read up about index trackers?
Monevator.
Thanks

superkartracer

8,959 posts

222 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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robt350c said:
Planning for the future and an unstable job future....

No Wife , No children , No life , Live at home with mother , don't have a need for a majorly expensive lifestyle - say £50-60 per week.

Worse case scenario that starting work is not a future option, would this be enough to live from comfortably - age 16?

Funds held in a mixture of large jars and coin stacks.

Thoughts appreciated in advance.

?

Zigster

1,653 posts

144 months

Friday 27th January 2017
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SkrrSkrr said:
p1stonhead said:
He could just as easily gone to a casino and put it on black. No difference and gambling is not relevent to planning for retirement.
All investments are a gamble
If you take it to the extreme, everything you do is a gamble. But that's quite a perverse definition of a gamble.

Some investments are gambles (and the one's you are talking about are gambles - I'm actually curious whether you genuinely know what you are talking about or whether your comments are just internet b/s); some investments are actually just investments.