Releasing equity in home for BTL - advice appreciated...

Releasing equity in home for BTL - advice appreciated...

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thenortherner

Original Poster:

1,502 posts

164 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
Apologies in advance for the long post...

I’ve created a few threads recently on my personal financial situation with a view to thinking mid/long term and how to make the best use of my money. I appreciate the help given and I’ve taken it on board. I’ve even explored the idea of selling up and living on a houseboat(!) mortgage free - but the sums made that a less than viable option due to running cost and depreciation, despite the savings to be had and the benefit of having zero debt. It’s still something I’d like to do long-term potentially but maybe in retirement. Anyhow…

I’d taken on the advice given a few weeks ago; I’ve now paid in full a personal loan taken out to buy a new car last year, opened a LISA with HL putting in £1.7K across 3 funds. And I’ve signed up to a work’s pension who match up to 3.5% salary contribution. I now pay in 9%.

Ref the latter point, I have the opportunity to enter a salary sacrifice agreement and my employer will add 100% of what they save in NI contribution to the pension but I’m holding off on this now for the reasons below.

In summary:

I’m in my early 30s
Salary of 50K
No financial commitments/loans/HP/leases etc
My only (non-mortgage) debt is £4K on a credit card which is interest free for 3 years so I’m in no rush to pay off
No savings other than £1.7K in the LISA
Pension pot of £4K (bugger all, I know!)
Everything else is owned outright

My house is worth £140K and I owe £82K, so 42% equity.

As with the previous thread, I’ve worked hard over the past year since buying my first home to get myself financially straight and I’m looking at what I spend each month in detail and where it goes. I’ve become a bit anxious over the future and retirement and I’m looking for ways to make my money grow.

At the moment my mortgage payment is £398 and I now roughly overpay by £350 a month. This’ll see my mortgage cleared in 10 years. I now also now stick £500+ a month into my LISA.

I’m considering taking some of the equity out of my home to use to fund a buy to let. I’ve spoken to the mortgage provider and I’ve passed all the affordability checks. They’re ringing me tomorrow with the quotes but they’ve confirmed they’ll allow me to borrow up to 90% of the property’s value.

My thoughts.

Option 1:

My home at £140K, less £82K owed = 58K equity
£58K minus the £14K (10% I’d need to leave in my current property assuming I go for the full 90% loan)

This gives me £44K to put as a deposit for a buy to let

Because I live in the north, there are still properties around the £100K mark which attract £500 PCM rent

Using the full £44K means I’d need a BTL mortgage of around £60K. For a 5 year fixed rate it’d be around £260 a month for a mortgage.

These are very, very rough numbers, but…
If I yielded £5K through a let per year (assumes the property is empty for 2 months a year and lets for just 10 months)
Less 15% cut for a fully managed costs
Maintenance costs/insurance etc of £100 PCM
= £3250 a year

And I’d be taxed the profit too.

The mortgage alone would be £3.2K plus I’ve have to make repayments on the £44K borrowed.

So far, it looks like I’d just be just about breaking even at best.

I appreciate the property will hopefully appreciate over time but this still looks like an investment which potentially doesn’t pay.

If I were to do this then it'd leave:

£126K owed on current property
£44K owed on the loan/charge account through the equity released
£60K on the BTL mortgage
= £230K debt

Option 2

Sell home for £140K and buy another of a similar value
Pay off 82K outstanding mortgage
Pay the £2K penalty for exiting early
Pay Estate agent £1.5K
Pay soliciitor £1K
Pay £14K deposit on a new house

= left with £39.5K used for BTL deposit

£126K owed on new home to live in
£65K on BTL mortgage
=£191K debt

Option 2 looks the better plan but something doesn’t look right with the sums. There's too little debt compared with option 1. What am I missing!?

I’d really appreciate any thoughts on any of the above. Especially if I’ve got my sums wrong. Or what you might do in my shoes.

I can’t help thinking I should remain averse to risk, appreciate my financial situation and instead just stick away in the bank as much as I can each month. My current outgoings are as below, with some of what’s left used for entertainment etc.

Thanks in advance..


superlightr

12,856 posts

264 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
I would let things settle for a year. You have made a lot of changes - wait, see how those work out for you, reconsider next year.

ps cant see any allocation to holidays/car funds?

Tyre Smoke

23,018 posts

262 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
Any profit you make on the BTL is going to be taxed. However, you can obviously claim all expenses against this. For instance your mobile phone, use of home as office, fuel to go and check the BTL/collect rent, all legitimate expenses. Then add in servicing the boiler, electrical or gas checks, fees for the management company.....

Property is always a good investment for the long term. But you have to look at it as long term.

Personally I'd hang fire for 12 months and see how things pan out. You're still quite young, on a good salary, you'll have paid a bigger chunk off the mortgage and paid more into your savings this time next year.

thenortherner

Original Poster:

1,502 posts

164 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
superlightr said:
I would let things settle for a year. You have made a lot of changes - wait, see how those work out for you, reconsider next year.

ps cant see any allocation to holidays/car funds?
Thanks.

Car funds is £25 a month for tyres and servicing, and £12 PM for tax, and £60 PM for insurance. The car's not yet a year old so there's no MOT or repairs to factor in just yet.

The £700 surplus each month at the bottom goes towards holidays and entertainment etc.

The spreadsheet was more about working out the cost of absolute necessaries, plus overpayment/LISA costs.

thenortherner

Original Poster:

1,502 posts

164 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
Thanks.

I'd be interested in whether my numbers actually stack up though.

Option 1 seems far worse than option 2. I feel like I'm not costing something.

My only worry is that the longer I wait the more property will increase. In the area I'm looking to buy there's been an 8% rise in 12 months. My savings in the next year won't bridge such a rise if I were to wait.

superlightr

12,856 posts

264 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
I'm all for property and renting out. I have been there and done that and now run a letting agents.

So I think your figures are fine option 1 would be way I would go if you went that way.

We work on the basis that we don't make any "profit" on the rental but will do on the capital growth. If you do make a bit of profit that's a bonus. ( we have by the way but don't rely on it) We have done well out of it and have 3x properties paid off so the rent is now an income + capital growth if/when we sell them. We are overpaying home mortgage and that's been our main priority to overpay the mortgages and get rid of them asap so as and when each property is paid off that payment then gets added to the other to pay off quicker.

Its just that some things take a bit of time to shake out and settle. So before committing to 20+years options I would hang fire 6mths/ a year let it settle and then if your figures/priorities are still good go for it.

With the car thing - I put a high priority on cars hence have a saving fund towards the next car etc as well as maintenance.

There will always be suitable properties, and suitable deals to be done. Don't rush into it as its expensive to correct. location/location/location really is true.


Edited by superlightr on Monday 5th February 16:34


Edited by superlightr on Monday 5th February 16:39

thenortherner

Original Poster:

1,502 posts

164 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
Thanks a lot for the response.

I think I'll be running this car for 3+ years and hadn't really thought beyond that.

Thanks for looking at the sums. It just seems that with option 2 I'll be tens of thousands better off in terms of debt/mortgage but the outcome will be the same as option 1, i.e. 10% equity in my live-in property and 40% or so in the rental. It doesn't make sense. Something has to be missing, I just can't see where I've gone wrong.

I agree with your comments on location. The place I've got in mind has continued to shoot up in value over the past few years and I can't see it changing. It does play on my mind that post-Brexit property prices will drop and I'll have overpaid - and that's not much more than a year off. So perhaps best waiting.

I probably sound like a sad case but I still fancy a narrowboat, just for weekends rather than a live-on. Part of me thinks fk it, take £35K out of the house and buy one. I live a pretty frugal life so why not enjoy.

I must be the only Fiesta ST owner in their 30s hankering after a narrowboat in the country!

Sir Bagalot

6,481 posts

182 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
Tyre Smoke said:
However, you can obviously claim all expenses against this. For instance your mobile phone, use of home as office, fuel to go and check the BTL/collect rent, all legitimate expenses.
Mobile phone? OP is using a manageing agent. How on earth can you claim mobile phone costs? Ditto for home office?

Don't claim fuel, claim 45p per mile instead

mikeh501

723 posts

182 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
I think youve double counted your equity release lending in option 1.

If it helps, i plugged your numbers into my spreadsheet as im looking to do the same thing as you.

Property Value £100,000
Market Rent (£) £500 p/m
Comparative Yield 6.00% £6,000.00 p/a
Yield inc Mort 2.88% £2,880.00 p/a
Yield inc Mor/Mnt/Vid/Stp 2.25% £2,246.67 p/a
Yield inc Mor/Mnt/Vid/Stp/Mgt 2.17% £2,167.08 p/a
£1,000 1% Maintenance
£600 3% Stamp Duty (over 5 years)
£470 Tenant Finders Fee (Letting Agent)
12% Tenant Management Fee (%) £60

Actual Yields 17/18 18/19 19/20 17/18 01/04/2017 31/03/2018
Income £1,000 £5,500 £5,500 18/19 01/04/2018 31/03/2019
Expenses £5,634 £5,943 £3,443 19/20 01/04/2019 31/03/2020
Profit Before Tax (£) -£4,634 -£443 £2,057
Yield before tax (%) -4.63% -0.44% 2.06%


Property Value £100,000
Mortgage Value £56,000 Interest 2.49%
Monthly Repayment £260.00
Repayment Number Year Opening Balance Loan Repayment Interest Charged Capital Repaid Extra Payment Closing Balance LTV% % Capital Outstanding
01/01/2018 1 1 £56,000 £260.00 £116 £144 £- £55,856 56% 99.74%
01/02/2018 2 1 £55,856 £260.00 £116 £144 £- £55,712 56% 99.49%
01/03/2018 3 1 £55,712 £260.00 £116 £144 £- £55,568 56% 99.23%
01/04/2018 4 1 £55,568 £260.00 £115 £145 £- £55,423 55% 98.97%
01/05/2018 5 1 £55,423 £260.00 £115 £145 £- £55,278 55% 98.71%
01/06/2018 6 1 £55,278 £260.00 £115 £145 £- £55,133 55% 98.45%
01/07/2018 7 1 £55,133 £260.00 £114 £146 £- £54,987 55% 98.19%
01/08/2018 8 1 £54,987 £260.00 £114 £146 £- £54,841 55% 97.93%
01/09/2018 9 1 £54,841 £260.00 £114 £146 £- £54,695 55% 97.67%
01/10/2018 10 1 £54,695 £260.00 £113 £147 £- £54,548 55% 97.41%
01/11/2018 11 1 £54,548 £260.00 £113 £147 £- £54,402 54% 97.15%
01/12/2018 12 1 £54,402 £260.00 £113 £147 £- £54,255 54% 96.88%
01/01/2019 13 2 £54,255 £260.00 £113 £147 £- £54,107 54% 96.62%
01/02/2019 14 2 £54,107 £260.00 £112 £148 £- £53,959 54% 96.36%
01/03/2019 15 2 £53,959 £260.00 £112 £148 £- £53,811 54% 96.09%
01/04/2019 16 2 £53,811 £260.00 £112 £148 £- £53,663 54% 95.83%
01/05/2019 17 2 £53,663 £260.00 £111 £149 £- £53,514 54% 95.56%
01/06/2019 18 2 £53,514 £260.00 £111 £149 £- £53,365 53% 95.30%
01/07/2019 19 2 £53,365 £260.00 £111 £149 £- £53,216 53% 95.03%
01/08/2019 20 2 £53,216 £260.00 £110 £150 £- £53,067 53% 94.76%
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01/10/2019 22 2 £52,917 £260.00 £110 £150 £- £52,767 53% 94.23%
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01/11/2025 95 8 £41,091 £260.00 £85 £175 £- £40,917 41% 73.07%
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01/02/2026 98 9 £40,566 £260.00 £84 £176 £- £40,390 40% 72.13%
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01/10/2031 166 14 £27,740 £260.00 £58 £202 £- £27,537 28% 49.17%
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01/06/2032 174 15 £26,108 £260.00 £54 £206 £- £25,903 26% 46.25%
01/07/2032 175 15 £25,903 £260.00 £54 £206 £- £25,696 26% 45.89%
01/08/2032 176 15 £25,696 £260.00 £53 £207 £- £25,490 25% 45.52%
01/09/2032 177 15 £25,490 £260.00 £53 £207 £- £25,283 25% 45.15%
01/10/2032 178 15 £25,283 £260.00 £52 £208 £- £25,075 25% 44.78%
01/11/2032 179 15 £25,075 £260.00 £52 £208 £- £24,867 25% 44.41%
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Edited by mikeh501 on Monday 5th February 19:38

jonny70

1,280 posts

159 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
thenortherner said:
Apologies in advance for the long post...

I’ve created a few threads recently on my personal financial situation with a view to thinking mid/long term and how to make the best use of my money. I appreciate the help given and I’ve taken it on board. I’ve even explored the idea of selling up and living on a houseboat(!) mortgage free - but the sums made that a less than viable option due to running cost and depreciation, despite the savings to be had and the benefit of having zero debt. It’s still something I’d like to do long-term potentially but maybe in retirement. Anyhow…

I’d taken on the advice given a few weeks ago; I’ve now paid in full a personal loan taken out to buy a new car last year, opened a LISA with HL putting in £1.7K across 3 funds. And I’ve signed up to a work’s pension who match up to 3.5% salary contribution. I now pay in 9%.

Ref the latter point, I have the opportunity to enter a salary sacrifice agreement and my employer will add 100% of what they save in NI contribution to the pension but I’m holding off on this now for the reasons below.

In summary:

I’m in my early 30s
Salary of 50K
No financial commitments/loans/HP/leases etc
My only (non-mortgage) debt is £4K on a credit card which is interest free for 3 years so I’m in no rush to pay off
No savings other than £1.7K in the LISA
Pension pot of £4K (bugger all, I know!)
Everything else is owned outright

My house is worth £140K and I owe £82K, so 42% equity.

As with the previous thread, I’ve worked hard over the past year since buying my first home to get myself financially straight and I’m looking at what I spend each month in detail and where it goes. I’ve become a bit anxious over the future and retirement and I’m looking for ways to make my money grow.

At the moment my mortgage payment is £398 and I now roughly overpay by £350 a month. This’ll see my mortgage cleared in 10 years. I now also now stick £500+ a month into my LISA.

I’m considering taking some of the equity out of my home to use to fund a buy to let. I’ve spoken to the mortgage provider and I’ve passed all the affordability
A few weeks ago you were saying that you are debt averse and wanted to get rid of your mortgage as quickly as possible. What’s changed that you now want to triple your outstanding mortgage debt ?

Asides from tripling your debt - you have zero savings to fall back on or service your mortgages

Secondly are you aware of the new BTL tax changes on 40% tax payers ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/i...

Only coming into affect this year and therefore likely a lot of BTL flats/houses will come on the market as landlords realise they will be losing money in a monthly basis once full tax takes effect . This will most likely push prices down slightly that’s asides from interest rate rises that the market expects this year .
House prices in London and parts of the South are now falling or at least stalling so it’s only a matter of time before the rest of the UK catch the cold and the market slows esp with Brexit on horizon .

Personally I would save 6 months outgoings in an easy access savings account for emergencies/ unexpected things and then save a bit more in to your stocks and shares isa - before you consider BTL when there’s no rush to dive in with so many current uncertainties.

thenortherner

Original Poster:

1,502 posts

164 months

Monday 5th February 2018
quotequote all
jonny70 said:
A few weeks ago you were saying that you are debt averse and wanted to get rid of your mortgage as quickly as possible. What’s changed that you now want to triple your outstanding mortgage debt ?

Asides from tripling your debt - you have zero savings to fall back on or service your mortgages

Secondly are you aware of the new BTL tax changes on 40% tax payers ?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/i...

Only coming into affect this year and therefore likely a lot of BTL flats/houses will come on the market as landlords realise they will be losing money in a monthly basis once full tax takes effect . This will most likely push prices down slightly that’s asides from interest rate rises that the market expects this year .
House prices in London and parts of the South are now falling or at least stalling so it’s only a matter of time before the rest of the UK catch the cold and the market slows esp with Brexit on horizon .

Personally I would save 6 months outgoings in an easy access savings account for emergencies/ unexpected things and then save a bit more in to your stocks and shares isa - before you consider BTL when there’s no rush to dive in with so many current uncertainties.
True, I did say that but BTL was suggested by others as something to consider, so I'm weighing up options and showing some diligence. The numbers appear to show there's probably a bit too much risk in doing it. And you're right, I don't like too much risk.

I'd probably be more willing to take the plunge and a risk if I could put more equity into the BTL so there'd be no real cost to cover if it were to be vacant for a while. But the returns don't make the risk look worth it in my case.

I'd read about the changes in tax, but even before those come into play and the old system remains, even partially, I'd stand to make little or nothing and just hope the property price increases over time.

I'll wait this one out I think.