HMRC - 6 months for your tax rebate, Sir
Discussion
Everyone just needs to stop paying.
They’d get the picture sharpish then.
On those with big credits, can’t you just reduce subsequent payments by what they owe you?
Ie, if you’re waiting on £6k, and they’re wanting say £5,000 on account, then just pay nothing and tell them they now owe you just £1,000?
They’d get the picture sharpish then.
On those with big credits, can’t you just reduce subsequent payments by what they owe you?
Ie, if you’re waiting on £6k, and they’re wanting say £5,000 on account, then just pay nothing and tell them they now owe you just £1,000?
PM3 said:
Stomach churning .
Perhaps I’ve become too Swiss over the years, but I quite like the sentiments expressed. Paying tax according to one’s means to support social infrastructure and the vulnerable *is* a civic obligation; also remember that we vote for tax rises/changes by referendum, rather than them being imposed by a smug t
t carrying a red briefcase.PM3 said:
However, it couldn't happen here as there would be social media rage over the " misgendering" that would undoubtedly be perceived to have happened .
There is a nascent movement to ‘de-gender’ the French language, but the grammar, declensions and conjugations are strong 
Mr Whippy said:
Everyone just needs to stop paying.
They’d get the picture sharpish then.
On those with big credits, can’t you just reduce subsequent payments by what they owe you?
Ie, if you’re waiting on £6k, and they’re wanting say £5,000 on account, then just pay nothing and tell them they now owe you just £1,000?
I’d suspect the repayment is net of the payment on account For Jan & whilst yes you could wait & use towards July payment on a/c why should we..They’d get the picture sharpish then.
On those with big credits, can’t you just reduce subsequent payments by what they owe you?
Ie, if you’re waiting on £6k, and they’re wanting say £5,000 on account, then just pay nothing and tell them they now owe you just £1,000?
We had a bit of re-shuffle & there were a couple of family returns with sizeable refunds due, submitted in December, I paid over the rest of the families by Jan deadline & realised the accountant hadn’t given the bank details on those returns for the refunds. They then did the necessary online I think mid Feb & funds were received in our account in about 3 weeks.
Panamax said:
My experience has been the same. Over recent years HMRC has become appallingly slow at issuing refunds. Can't help wondering whether our penniless government has given a deliberate "go slow" directive - or perhaps a staff bonus scheme at HMRC encourages them to hold onto taxpayers' money for as long as possible. It's pretty outrageous.
Due to the way I get paid my employer pays my tax then reclaims it back.We have just received the repayment for 2019/20 & 2020/21. The tax returns for these years had been submitted by the November in each case. So repayment for 19/20 was received 3 1/4 years after the return. These were for substantial sums.
Of course they are deliberately holding repayments
GT03ROB said:
Due to the way I get paid my employer pays my tax then reclaims it back.
We have just received the repayment for 2019/20 & 2020/21. The tax returns for these years had been submitted by the November in each case. So repayment for 19/20 was received 3 1/4 years after the return. These were for substantial sums.
Of course they are deliberately holding repayments
Can’t you offset those then?We have just received the repayment for 2019/20 & 2020/21. The tax returns for these years had been submitted by the November in each case. So repayment for 19/20 was received 3 1/4 years after the return. These were for substantial sums.
Of course they are deliberately holding repayments
Ie, are you still paying them money while they owe you it?
Mr Whippy said:
GT03ROB said:
Due to the way I get paid my employer pays my tax then reclaims it back.
We have just received the repayment for 2019/20 & 2020/21. The tax returns for these years had been submitted by the November in each case. So repayment for 19/20 was received 3 1/4 years after the return. These were for substantial sums.
Of course they are deliberately holding repayments
Can’t you offset those then?We have just received the repayment for 2019/20 & 2020/21. The tax returns for these years had been submitted by the November in each case. So repayment for 19/20 was received 3 1/4 years after the return. These were for substantial sums.
Of course they are deliberately holding repayments
Ie, are you still paying them money while they owe you it?
Michael_B said:
PM3 said:
Stomach churning .
Perhaps I’ve become too Swiss over the years, but I quite like the sentiments expressed. Paying tax according to one’s means to support social infrastructure and the vulnerable *is* a civic obligation; also remember that we vote for tax rises/changes by referendum, rather than them being imposed by a smug tt carrying a red briefcase.PM3 said:
However, it couldn't happen here as there would be social media rage over the " misgendering" that would undoubtedly be perceived to have happened .
There is a nascent movement to ‘de-gender’ the French language, but the grammar, declensions and conjugations are strong My churning stomach is probably just every time I accidentally think of what the F***tards here are doing with other peoples money. Hey-ho what to do , thinking about t does not do any good. Only ever vacationed in Switzerland a few times ( rent mountain chalet kinda thing, in summer) certainly from the outside it does look like some of the money is getting spent there to the good ( even if they are strikingly weird )
Back on topic. I have only applied for and received one significant tax refund in UK , was early covid so I suspect the HMRC pretenders were trying to put up a good show "working at home" and mine certainly ( including complications ) after a couple of follow up calls was paid out in a very reasonable time.
Mr Whippy said:
I usually get a bit of refund each year, last one was filed Nov/Dec iirc and I had the refund in 3 or 4 weeks.
Have things got really bad since late last year, or is this something to do with larger sums?
In my case it’s around £1,500.
They owed us £300 and £7000 for two different things. The £300 arrived in days. The £7k has not arrived.Have things got really bad since late last year, or is this something to do with larger sums?
In my case it’s around £1,500.
My accountant filed our personal returns on 20th November and the refund was in my bank on 29th Nov - 5 figure sum - mostly due various tax relief schemes.
Then had another claim ( late certificate ) filed 11th Jan and money in bank 2 weeks later - small 4 figure sum.
No idea whether refunds due to tax relief schemes get handled quicker but have usually not had to wait long post any years submission over the past decade.
Then had another claim ( late certificate ) filed 11th Jan and money in bank 2 weeks later - small 4 figure sum.
No idea whether refunds due to tax relief schemes get handled quicker but have usually not had to wait long post any years submission over the past decade.
Tucked away under an "i" button, given the pasting
"Payments/credits used for Amount due
Where you have overpaid tax and your next liability is shortly due to be paid (usually within the next 45 days, but for 31st January and 31st July liabilities this is extended to around 65 days) we will show any tax overpaid as set against this future liability first and show any balance in the 'Payments/credits not yet used' line above.
You are however entitled to have all the tax overpaid returned to you (the amount shown in the Total line) right up to the date your next payment is due. (We will repay the full amount on the understanding that you will pay the amount shortly becoming due by the due date)."
Submission all done nicely online, tax code calculated and updated but still awaiting refund, it's the fact that when you check it doesn't show you've put in a request for the refund (always take a screenshot) but also says please don't put in more than one request!
I can't imaging the fines and interest I'd have racked up if I was slow in paying them!
"Payments/credits used for Amount due
Where you have overpaid tax and your next liability is shortly due to be paid (usually within the next 45 days, but for 31st January and 31st July liabilities this is extended to around 65 days) we will show any tax overpaid as set against this future liability first and show any balance in the 'Payments/credits not yet used' line above.
You are however entitled to have all the tax overpaid returned to you (the amount shown in the Total line) right up to the date your next payment is due. (We will repay the full amount on the understanding that you will pay the amount shortly becoming due by the due date)."
Submission all done nicely online, tax code calculated and updated but still awaiting refund, it's the fact that when you check it doesn't show you've put in a request for the refund (always take a screenshot) but also says please don't put in more than one request!
I can't imaging the fines and interest I'd have racked up if I was slow in paying them!
I suppose I'll have to take back my sarcastic comment that I'd believe it when I saw my cheque for my rebate as it arrived this lunchtime after my phone call on Monday. Straight off to the bank to pay it in (though why I couldn't just have it paid directly to my bank I don't know). In total that has taken until nearly tax year 2024-25 to get a rebate for 2021-22 and 2022-23. Not a huge amount by PH CEO standards, but it would have kept me for about 6 months when I first finished work and of course no interest during a period when I could have got about 6%.
I'll reserve judgement however because I'm still wary of an extra amount they gave me for 2021-22 and wouldn't be surprised to see them ask for it back...
I'll reserve judgement however because I'm still wary of an extra amount they gave me for 2021-22 and wouldn't be surprised to see them ask for it back...
OldSkoolRS said:
I suppose I'll have to take back my sarcastic comment that I'd believe it when I saw my cheque for my rebate as it arrived this lunchtime after my phone call on Monday. Straight off to the bank to pay it in (though why I couldn't just have it paid directly to my bank I don't know). In total that has taken until nearly tax year 2024-25 to get a rebate for 2021-22 and 2022-23. Not a huge amount by PH CEO standards, but it would have kept me for about 6 months when I first finished work and of course no interest during a period when I could have got about 6%.
I'll reserve judgement however because I'm still wary of an extra amount they gave me for 2021-22 and wouldn't be surprised to see them ask for it back...
Aren't they supposed to pay interest at OBR - 1% or similar?I'll reserve judgement however because I'm still wary of an extra amount they gave me for 2021-22 and wouldn't be surprised to see them ask for it back...
MaxFromage said:
LeighW said:
Scrap that, email just in, HMRC U turn. Muppets. 
I do wonder whether they've left the work experience in charge.article said:
The head of HMRC has told MPs that the ferocity of criticism over its decision to shut helplines with virtually no notice was unexpected and the ‘strategy was being rolled out too fast’
Probed by MPs at the Treasury Committee over the fallout from the proposed closure of phone helplines, HMRC chief executive Jim Harra said: ‘There was a strength of feeling from stakeholders that we did not expect. Our strategy is still digital first but we are not proceeding with the changes announced on 19 March. We will engage with stakeholders – we need to go through all the concerns that stakeholders had.’
Committee chair Harriet Baldwin asked whether the closure was an operational decision, but Harra rejected this, saying: ‘No, that was not the case, HMRC decided it was a good idea to do this. That was shared with ministers.’
Clearly the level of outrage about the decision had shaken HMRC, with Harra stressing to MPs that the tax office had done plenty of internal research before taking the decision.
He added that the ‘immediate reaction from tax professional bodies that despite trials we were moving too fast and they did not have reassurance that we had the services online that people needed.’
Harra added that HMRC ‘had talked to tax professionals, frankly they would prefer us not to make these changes and to be resourced to do things as we have always done’.
However, when pressed by Baldwin on whether the Chancellor and PM intervened to force a reversal of the decision, Harra said: ‘Ministers certainly expressed their concern about the reaction and genuine concern about how this would work.’
‘Having heard stakeholder reaction, ministers want more assurance that we can successfully implement the digital first service.’
Utter clowns. Probed by MPs at the Treasury Committee over the fallout from the proposed closure of phone helplines, HMRC chief executive Jim Harra said: ‘There was a strength of feeling from stakeholders that we did not expect. Our strategy is still digital first but we are not proceeding with the changes announced on 19 March. We will engage with stakeholders – we need to go through all the concerns that stakeholders had.’
Committee chair Harriet Baldwin asked whether the closure was an operational decision, but Harra rejected this, saying: ‘No, that was not the case, HMRC decided it was a good idea to do this. That was shared with ministers.’
Clearly the level of outrage about the decision had shaken HMRC, with Harra stressing to MPs that the tax office had done plenty of internal research before taking the decision.
He added that the ‘immediate reaction from tax professional bodies that despite trials we were moving too fast and they did not have reassurance that we had the services online that people needed.’
Harra added that HMRC ‘had talked to tax professionals, frankly they would prefer us not to make these changes and to be resourced to do things as we have always done’.
However, when pressed by Baldwin on whether the Chancellor and PM intervened to force a reversal of the decision, Harra said: ‘Ministers certainly expressed their concern about the reaction and genuine concern about how this would work.’
‘Having heard stakeholder reaction, ministers want more assurance that we can successfully implement the digital first service.’
Not sure why you are having problems...
I did my tax return online for last year on the 14th April - due just under £3k back in tax. Mildly complex but not bonkers return, pension income, property income, savings interest and CGT on two rental properties sold. So certainly not run of the mill, but nothing hugely out of the ordinary either.
Waited a couple of days as instructed for the tax return to be processed, then logged in again and requested a refund online after doing the ID check.
System said refund would take 2-4 weeks, but in fact it was paid today, a total of just 9 working days after I submitted did the tax return.
I did my tax return online for last year on the 14th April - due just under £3k back in tax. Mildly complex but not bonkers return, pension income, property income, savings interest and CGT on two rental properties sold. So certainly not run of the mill, but nothing hugely out of the ordinary either.
Waited a couple of days as instructed for the tax return to be processed, then logged in again and requested a refund online after doing the ID check.
System said refund would take 2-4 weeks, but in fact it was paid today, a total of just 9 working days after I submitted did the tax return.
AdamV12V said:
Not sure why you are having problems...
I did my tax return online for last year on the 14th April - due just under £3k back in tax. Mildly complex but not bonkers return, pension income, property income, savings interest and CGT on two rental properties sold. So certainly not run of the mill, but nothing hugely out of the ordinary either.
Waited a couple of days as instructed for the tax return to be processed, then logged in again and requested a refund online after doing the ID check.
System said refund would take 2-4 weeks, but in fact it was paid today, a total of just 9 working days after I submitted did the tax return.
You're lucky? Currently over 4 months for mine...I did my tax return online for last year on the 14th April - due just under £3k back in tax. Mildly complex but not bonkers return, pension income, property income, savings interest and CGT on two rental properties sold. So certainly not run of the mill, but nothing hugely out of the ordinary either.
Waited a couple of days as instructed for the tax return to be processed, then logged in again and requested a refund online after doing the ID check.
System said refund would take 2-4 weeks, but in fact it was paid today, a total of just 9 working days after I submitted did the tax return.
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