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trashbat

6,006 posts

154 months

Sunday 16th November 2014
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Condi said:
Depends if you're trading or investing. As a trader, I would agree that you've not lost it until you close your position. Running loss making positions while believing that it will come back your way is part of what we do, and a very stressful part at that. If you're investing and worried about net value then yes, you've lost it.
I'd argue that it's just as much a loss at that moment in time - so is anything that you can't get the same amount of money back out of right now should you have to - but your appetite for risk and thus loss inherently has to be very different in trading otherwise you'd never get anywhere. Nonetheless surely you still have to think quite deeply about the psychology of it and set yourself some form of hard limit. You can't just wish away a disastrous position.

I don't do leveraged trading so my knowledge is limited, but is there not also a subtle difference - when you open a position, you do so with a set of parameters that may be unique to that time (e.g. the borrowing cost) and not necessary replicable in future? When you buy shares straight and the price falls, unless we're talking huge volume and low liquidity, you will generally always be able to buy the same amount at that lower price without any punitive effect.

trashbat

6,006 posts

154 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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So, QPP's joint broker (not nomad and broker, who is Cenkos) has resigned. A month ago, in fact. Surely this is the end.

Edited by trashbat on Monday 17th November 08:16

Shnozz

27,506 posts

272 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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-24% in <30 mins...

trashbat

6,006 posts

154 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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There was a piece in the Sunday Times about how they've been talking to hedge funds about cash, implying that the banks have called it a day with them.

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/Finan... (paywall, I don't have access)

What do we think will happen next? A normal company and RT would have resigned a long time ago, but it's so bent that I can't see it happening until the moment it actually suits him. Meanwhile, I wonder what Cenkos will do. If they go, it gets suspended.

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Shnozz said:
-24% in <30 mins...
It's going back up... are people insane?

gregf40

1,114 posts

117 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Oakey said:
It's going back up... are people insane?
Some are. Nearly all are greedy though wink

Shnozz

27,506 posts

272 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Oakey said:
Shnozz said:
-24% in <30 mins...
It's going back up... are people insane?
You've read the lse forums. I'll let you be the judge. Deluded.

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Shnozz said:
You've read the lse forums. I'll let you be the judge. Deluded.
"cheeky top up, bargain at this price"... such a bargain even the Directors don't want to know

trashbat

6,006 posts

154 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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One of their PR firms has gone AWOL too; if you go back to previous RNS releases, they list Bell Pottinger and Redleaf Polhill, but the latter are absent from today's and have apparently parted company - an event they were due to hold will proceed without Quindell.

hornet

6,333 posts

251 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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caduceus said:
trashbat said:
eah, and you could have bought into RRL now at this bargain rate with the money you had in the first place. Except you've lost it.
Are you retarded? I haven't sold. So how have I lost it exactly? It's paper loss and nothing more. Honestly....
Out of interest, would you be equally forthright in claiming a paper gain wasn't a profit?

gaz1234

5,233 posts

220 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Qpp = buyout?

marky1

1,047 posts

197 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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gaz1234 said:
Qpp = buyout?
In your dreams.....
You bought them yet???

gaz1234

5,233 posts

220 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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marky1 said:
In your dreams.....
You bought them yet???
I'll let you know

Shnozz

27,506 posts

272 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Cash.

Flow.

trashbat

6,006 posts

154 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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2p off the Gotham target now, IIRC.

vescaegg

25,584 posts

168 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Christ, QPP at 47p. Near as makes no difference, pre-consolidation price. Unbelievable.

Shnozz

27,506 posts

272 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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trashbat said:
2p off the Gotham target now, IIRC.
Almost on the money aren't they? I thought Gotham held a 3p target so 45p. We might see that before close today.

vescaegg

25,584 posts

168 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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Shnozz said:
trashbat said:
2p off the Gotham target now, IIRC.
Almost on the money aren't they? I thought Gotham held a 3p target so 45p. We might see that before close today.
Passed it just now.....

Pete102

2,048 posts

187 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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QPP...wow.

In other news, AAPL looking good, just signed a deal to make app store payments much easier in China.

Also apparently signed a deal with Samsung to start manufacturing future chips, might be worth looking into Samsung based on this?

Very flat day for BP (and oil really), brent still below $80, down again today.

marky1

1,047 posts

197 months

Monday 17th November 2014
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gaz1234 said:
I'll let you know
What, if they go up you'll let me know you bought them, if they go down you'll let me know you didn't. Good one!
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