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olly22n said:
I know the warnings are there, but my point is do people really understand what that means.
Less so these days as most brokers now have the tech to run auto close out programs as part of client risk management. A decade ago it would be inconceivable to imagine a client could not be 100% aware of ramifications as most accounts would have a debit balance at one time or another.
Those who will have got a shock will be the ones who opted to trade via a broker offering ludicrous leverage such as Alpari's 500:1 crap. Specifically designed to hoover up the lowest trading echelons and generate the highest 'client funds to balance sheet' conversion rate.
Equity mRkets have pretty much priced in an announcement of half a trillion of QE to be announced tomorrow. As such likely to be a choppy day.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
DonkeyApple said:
Equity mRkets have pretty much priced in an announcement of half a trillion of QE to be announced tomorrow. As such likely to be a choppy day.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Best trading day I've had for ages, no faecal matter on our seats! No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 21st January 19:37
twinturboz said:
Hah hasn't it been choppy since the new year, rest of the year goes like this and it's going to be tough to make money. I'm still convinced theres a 15% decline coming round the corner.
On the equity side that is a definite possibility. EU QE will feed the machine but the markets are carrying huge premiums that the commodity exchanges are all telling us are false. Raw material declines month on month since q3 2012 tells us an awful lot about what is really going on and how central banks are trying to stave it off. A capitulation event such as we just saw in copper is definitely a risk to be factored in this year.
TheLordJohn said:
DoubleSix said:
Best trading day I've had for ages, no faecal matter on our seats!
Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
So now is the time to invest in Greece?Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 21st January 19:37
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
Equity mRkets have pretty much priced in an announcement of half a trillion of QE to be announced tomorrow. As such likely to be a choppy day.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Best trading day I've had for ages, no faecal matter on our seats! No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 21st January 19:37
. Mkt obviously desires the latter and the DAX has been rising and salivating at the thought of all that stupid money that will Rush to buy German goods and services and accelerate the EU disparity. There is no formality as all those who loaded up on the CHF carry trade have just been reminded. Long bets have been on for over a week and the shorts are poised with greater fire power than longs can ever muster.
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
Equity mRkets have pretty much priced in an announcement of half a trillion of QE to be announced tomorrow. As such likely to be a choppy day.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Best trading day I've had for ages, no faecal matter on our seats! No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 21st January 19:37
. Mkt obviously desires the latter and the DAX has been rising and salivating at the thought of all that stupid money that will Rush to buy German goods and services and accelerate the EU disparity. There is no formality as all those who loaded up on the CHF carry trade have just been reminded. Long bets have been on for over a week and the shorts are poised with greater fire power than longs can ever muster.
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
Equity mRkets have pretty much priced in an announcement of half a trillion of QE to be announced tomorrow. As such likely to be a choppy day.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Best trading day I've had for ages, no faecal matter on our seats! No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 21st January 19:37
. Mkt obviously desires the latter and the DAX has been rising and salivating at the thought of all that stupid money that will Rush to buy German goods and services and accelerate the EU disparity. There is no formality as all those who loaded up on the CHF carry trade have just been reminded. Long bets have been on for over a week and the shorts are poised with greater fire power than longs can ever muster.
We'll know shortly
and the Dax is looking rather poised to say the least. DonkeyApple said:
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
Equity mRkets have pretty much priced in an announcement of half a trillion of QE to be announced tomorrow. As such likely to be a choppy day.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Best trading day I've had for ages, no faecal matter on our seats! No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 21st January 19:37
. Mkt obviously desires the latter and the DAX has been rising and salivating at the thought of all that stupid money that will Rush to buy German goods and services and accelerate the EU disparity. There is no formality as all those who loaded up on the CHF carry trade have just been reminded. Long bets have been on for over a week and the shorts are poised with greater fire power than longs can ever muster.
We'll know shortly
and the Dax is looking rather poised to say the least. Look at your post above. You alluded to the fact that there may not be an announcement and in such circumstances the markets would "sell-off".
I simply stated that an announcement of QE was a formality regardless of the detail therein.
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
DoubleSix said:
DonkeyApple said:
Equity mRkets have pretty much priced in an announcement of half a trillion of QE to be announced tomorrow. As such likely to be a choppy day.
No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Best trading day I've had for ages, no faecal matter on our seats! No announcement and it'll all sell off and revert to being controlled by oil. An announcement that matches what market has priced in is likely to jump a bit and then probably sell back down as commodity deflation risk hasn't gone away.
Going to be fun. Especially after the CAD news today has left faecal waste on every chair inside retail brokers.
Oh and credible sources have confirmed 50 billion per month - tomorrow is just a formality.
Edited by DoubleSix on Wednesday 21st January 19:37
. Mkt obviously desires the latter and the DAX has been rising and salivating at the thought of all that stupid money that will Rush to buy German goods and services and accelerate the EU disparity. There is no formality as all those who loaded up on the CHF carry trade have just been reminded. Long bets have been on for over a week and the shorts are poised with greater fire power than longs can ever muster.
We'll know shortly
and the Dax is looking rather poised to say the least. Look at your post above. You alluded to the fact that there may not be an announcement and in such circumstances the markets would "sell-off".
I simply stated that an announcement of QE was a formality regardless of the detail therein.
twinturboz said:
60 billion. Bigger than expected and longer than expected.
Yup. Arguably open ended and the TLTRO cut is a pseudo rate cut. Edited by twinturboz on Thursday 22 January 13:48
Market will probably go and s
t itself before weekend now on fears that the EU must be far more screwed than it thought. 
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