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DonkeyApple

55,292 posts

169 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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Fittster said:
DonkeyApple said:
And what of the counterparty risk of its trade book? It's a falling market and they are counterparty to lots of entities that won't be around in their current guise if commods stay down here.

Falling values, rising funding costs and spiralling counterparty risk.

It's really not important whether it goes bust, restructures, survives exactly as is. At this exact moment in time it is not an investment but a punt.
If you are fully signed up to the zerohedge view ( http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-28/19-billio...) then the world is ending.

However that road leads investing in gold and becoming a prepper.
If you do a quick search on PH you will find my views of ZeroHedge rather quickly.

It does not matter whether this stock is going bust, restructuring or going into recovery. It is not at this moment in time an investment. It is a punt. Only when there is actual clarity and clear support could it become an investment grade asset.

Absolutely any kind of new position taken now by a retail account is a punt.

There is nothing wrong with that but it is just not prudent to try and fool oneself that it is anything other than that.

Fittster

20,120 posts

213 months

Monday 28th September 2015
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DonkeyApple said:
If you do a quick search on PH you will find my views of ZeroHedge rather quickly.

It does not matter whether this stock is going bust, restructuring or going into recovery. It is not at this moment in time an investment. It is a punt. Only when there is actual clarity and clear support could it become an investment grade asset.

Absolutely any kind of new position taken now by a retail account is a punt.

There is nothing wrong with that but it is just not prudent to try and fool oneself that it is anything other than that.
Why do you consider it to be a punt today? It's always had counterparties and it's hardly unique in that. If its just "The future is unknowable therefore its punt" then its always been a punt but you can make that argument for an awful lot of large organisations.

Glencore has debt but so much its about to go bust? Is the WSJ article wrong?

DonkeyApple

55,292 posts

169 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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?????!!!!

Night.

TheLuke

2,218 posts

141 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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You chaps seem the right people to ask.

I have held SIP shares in a company I work for, for the last 3 years. They were given to all employees as a gift by the company on the basis that if we stayed employed with the company for 3 years we could keep them. That 3 year period is up now and I want to get rid as shares arent really my thing. The shares only amount to around £500 or so. I have not held any other shares or dealt shares ever before.

Will I pay capital gains tax? (In the three years the shares have increased by a substantial amound (around 70% I think)


walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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TheLuke said:
Will I pay capital gains tax? (In the three years the shares have increased by a substantial amount (around 70% I think)
Do you have any other capital gains this year?
If not then you are well within the FY16 £11,100 CGT tax-free allowance.
So - no CGT.

TheLuke

2,218 posts

141 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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walm said:
TheLuke said:
Will I pay capital gains tax? (In the three years the shares have increased by a substantial amount (around 70% I think)
Do you have any other capital gains this year?
If not then you are well within the FY16 £11,100 CGT tax-free allowance.
So - no CGT.
No I havent.

Thanks for the reply and clearing that up for me!


harveys

160 posts

124 months

Tuesday 29th September 2015
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Guys after a bit of advice. Any thoughts on Berkeley holdings or redrow?

Thinking of buying these next month.

Thank you.

twinturboz

1,278 posts

178 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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tumbleweed


So quite the bounce back last week, bear market rally or did we put a bottom in? See everyone getting a bit excited about Oil .... double bottom etc.

The bounce back didn't come as a surprise but I am surprised we bounced quite hard for 6-5 sessions straight with very little pull back so far, the last short squeeze before we make new lows? Guess we find out soon enough.

traxx

3,143 posts

222 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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Not been on here for a while but was just watching GoPro collapse again and remembered the discussion from a few months back

g4ry13

16,988 posts

255 months

Wednesday 7th October 2015
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traxx said:
Not been on here for a while but was just watching GoPro collapse again and remembered the discussion from a few months back
Since when is a 4% fall in a day a collapse?!

twinturboz

1,278 posts

178 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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g4ry13 said:
Since when is a 4% fall in a day a collapse?!
Does over 50% in 3 months count?

Been here before in gpro, second it gets over 32ish (for this week) some momentum should come back.

Then needs earning catalyst to pop it back in the 40's -50's where it will be dumped again.

g4ry13

16,988 posts

255 months

Thursday 8th October 2015
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twinturboz said:
g4ry13 said:
Since when is a 4% fall in a day a collapse?!
Does over 50% in 3 months count?

Been here before in gpro, second it gets over 32ish (for this week) some momentum should come back.

Then needs earning catalyst to pop it back in the 40's -50's where it will be dumped again.
Don't know.... sounds pretty standard for my portfolio! rofl

Hasn't GoPro pretty much peaked in terms of where they are as a business? Unless they start to make other products and use the brand they're going to get swallowed up. It's going to BBRY all over.



Edited by g4ry13 on Thursday 8th October 19:59

walm

10,609 posts

202 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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g4ry13 said:
Hasn't GoPro pretty much peaked in terms of where they are as a business? Unless they start to make other products and use the brand they're going to get swallowed up. It's going to BBRY all over.
RIMM as it was then was a great product and you could invest in it on fundamentals.
They had huge barriers to entry and first mover advantage as the security for business use was extremely high.
And initially the only people who really cared about real-time push email were business users.
Having that market destroyed by a once-in-a-generation innovation like the iPhone is pretty bad luck.

GPRO on the other hand is completely different. It's a commodity product with virtually zero barriers. Action-cams will be in Christmas Crackers eventually.

However, it is a pure momentum stock. It doesn't trade on fundamentals.
So if the beat quarterly expectations the stock will go up and vice-versa (in the short term).

Long term they are a zero/take-out.

twinturboz

1,278 posts

178 months

Friday 9th October 2015
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Exactly as above just use Gpro as a trading vehicle, wouldn't own it for the long term.

Earnings are about 2 weeks away, 25% short with what seems negative sentiment for the stock, if they beat nice pop if they don't this downtrend will just continue, who knows where that will take it.

ringerz

139 posts

226 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Anyone in on Quadrise (QFI)? Been terrible year and I've kept topping up against my better judgement. Started to creep up nicely though, hopefully it's something of a retrace to 28-30p.

Mattt

16,661 posts

218 months

Tuesday 13th October 2015
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Yep, still down on my average.

Mr Noble

6,535 posts

233 months

Thursday 15th October 2015
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ringerz said:
Anyone in on Quadrise (QFI)? Been terrible year and I've kept topping up against my better judgement. Started to creep up nicely though, hopefully it's something of a retrace to 28-30p.
Same. I got in ages ago at 29p and decided to have a punt and double up at 9.9p.

The last few days have been long awaited, and hopefully things will keep moving up. It's nice to be in profit again!

I did read though, that part of the recent blip is due to the Investors Chronicle tipping QFI.......


ringerz

139 posts

226 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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Yeah, sounds exactly like I did. Got my average down to around 18p. Will see how the next 12 months go - whether Saudi and Maersk tests go as expected. Lots of positive noises, no idea on it's potential - or whether indeed there is any!

Skyedriver

17,856 posts

282 months

Friday 16th October 2015
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ringerz said:
Yeah, sounds exactly like I did. Got my average down to around 18p. Will see how the next 12 months go - whether Saudi and Maersk tests go as expected. Lots of positive noises, no idea on it's potential - or whether indeed there is any!
Topped up QFI a few times so that I could increase my loss when I eventually got out a while ago.
Into BRBY today, expect will recover in due course

M3Driver

171 posts

164 months

Monday 19th October 2015
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New to this lark but so far I have bought a few VW shares, some at 120 Euro before they bottomed, and some more at 100 Euro when they really bottomed.

Apart from that I bought some in Porsche SE when they were at 42 Euro, will buy more if they drop to 36.

Have a buy limit for Petrobras at $4.50, and ArcellorMittal at 5.00

My thinking is that VW is a huge diverse company with loads of good products, Petrobras is an absolutely huge company trading at a rock-bottom price due to the scandal, and it can never be a bad thing to buy into the biggest steel manufacturer in the world when commodity prices are in a slump, surely?!

As I said, I'm new to all this and just doing it with small amounts to learn and have a bit of fun. Anyone else got any opinion on the above or other opportunities they think look good just now???
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