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NRS

22,214 posts

202 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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Oil stocks aren't very happy now! I might sit out a bit more for the near future, between the possible shock of the US election and here in Norway a lot of companies just broke their positive trend from the last 3 months or so means it's looking high risk for me now. Happy with GDX so far though.

walm

10,609 posts

203 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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NRS said:
Oil stocks aren't very happy now! I might sit out a bit more for the near future, between the possible shock of the US election and here in Norway a lot of companies just broke their positive trend from the last 3 months or so means it's looking high risk for me now. Happy with GDX so far though.
One thing on the Gold is how to play the election.
If Trump gets in, it feels like Gold is going to rocket but that the dollar will tank so net-net not an obvious win.
And vice-versa.
So... not sure really.

NRS

22,214 posts

202 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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walm said:
One thing on the Gold is how to play the election.
If Trump gets in, it feels like Gold is going to rocket but that the dollar will tank so net-net not an obvious win.
And vice-versa.
So... not sure really.
I have a 10% gain so far between currency and the increase in GDX itself. I didn't hedge against currency changes so far as the dollar was still strengthening so was happy to get the benefit from both. Now I am somewhat tempted to just hold what I have now and "hope" that gold/dollar changes will hedge each other to enough extend that I should still be in the plus? I guess there is also the shorter term downside risk with it being GDX, so if the market crashes/corrects if Trump gets in then it could pull the mining companies down with it before they recover with the likely increase in gold.

twinturboz

1,278 posts

179 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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I might end up regretting it but strongly feel gold lows already in same with Gdx, it's on the path to $1400 now with a bit of chop to come to shake out the late chasers. Oil grabbed some long today at 45.30

Doller too many bulls it's already starting the move down.

Next up is the pullback in FANG, patiently waiting to buy Apple 90-95, Amazon 650-700, FB 105-110, Netflix 95's Google 700 ish.

Edited by twinturboz on Wednesday 2nd November 16:38

walm

10,609 posts

203 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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twinturboz said:
Next up is the pullback in FANG, patiently waiting to buy Apple 90-95, Amazon 650-700, FB 105-110, Netflix 95's Google 700 ish.
I desperately want to short FANG but just don't have anything like the stones.

twinturboz

1,278 posts

179 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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walm said:
I desperately want to short FANG but just don't have anything like the stones.
Amazon was great yesterday from a technical perspective, you've had the 50day ma (purple line) as support all year.

Earnings broke through it, so was expecting a retest at some point, yesterday you had the perfect tag and rejection of it so great place to get short. If it's weak now it should move to undercut the earnings lows in the coming days.


Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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walm said:
twinturboz said:
Next up is the pullback in FANG, patiently waiting to buy Apple 90-95, Amazon 650-700, FB 105-110, Netflix 95's Google 700 ish.
I desperately want to short FANG but just don't have anything like the stones.
It's a bit uncharitable to lump Google into that pile of st. At least it earns enough to kind of justify its PE.

walm

10,609 posts

203 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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Burwood said:
walm said:
twinturboz said:
Next up is the pullback in FANG, patiently waiting to buy Apple 90-95, Amazon 650-700, FB 105-110, Netflix 95's Google 700 ish.
I desperately want to short FANG but just don't have anything like the stones.
It's a bit uncharitable to lump Google into that pile of st. At least it earns enough to kind of justify its PE.
That's fair.
They essentially have a lifetime pass onto my "never short" list because the structural tailwind is so massive.
Although - there should be a right price for everything!

Burwood

18,709 posts

247 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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walm said:
Burwood said:
walm said:
twinturboz said:
Next up is the pullback in FANG, patiently waiting to buy Apple 90-95, Amazon 650-700, FB 105-110, Netflix 95's Google 700 ish.
I desperately want to short FANG but just don't have anything like the stones.
It's a bit uncharitable to lump Google into that pile of st. At least it earns enough to kind of justify its PE.
That's fair.
They essentially have a lifetime pass onto my "never short" list because the structural tailwind is so massive.
Although - there should be a right price for everything!
I'll have a crack at Amazon one of these days smile. Going into earnings and take a pure gamble on a miss

shopper150

1,576 posts

195 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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Burwood said:
walm said:
Burwood said:
walm said:
twinturboz said:
Next up is the pullback in FANG, patiently waiting to buy Apple 90-95, Amazon 650-700, FB 105-110, Netflix 95's Google 700 ish.
I desperately want to short FANG but just don't have anything like the stones.
It's a bit uncharitable to lump Google into that pile of st. At least it earns enough to kind of justify its PE.
That's fair.
They essentially have a lifetime pass onto my "never short" list because the structural tailwind is so massive.
Although - there should be a right price for everything!
I'll have a crack at Amazon one of these days smile. Going into earnings and take a pure gamble on a miss
I have a couple of positions open. Short at $740, long at $830. Hoping it will tank and then recover...?!?

What do you think of LNKD. Its at $188, MSFT's bid is $196.

Hobo

5,767 posts

247 months

Wednesday 2nd November 2016
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SXX was a bit lively today. 93 million volume, down circa 10%, but funding now in place.

Has to be great new long term.

NRS

22,214 posts

202 months

Monday 7th November 2016
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What are people's position now? Holding for the long term and so not worried about the election, or have you taken a large cash position for the next few days to make sure you preserve capital?

I've quite a big cash position now apart from company share saving scheme and a relatively small amount in a good dividend paying company. The other thing I have is GDX, which I think may get hit a bit in the next few days whatever happens (gold will go up with Trump, but probably the miner shares would get hit with a big stock market sell-off anyway, or with Clinton there might be a bit of a drop in gold due to the lower risk associated with her). The rest I had made gains which I was happy with so decided to not risk them and sold out to see what happens first.

twinturboz

1,278 posts

179 months

Tuesday 8th November 2016
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I have some long exposure on the SPX and Nasdaq from last Thursday and Friday, felt the sentiment was getting a bit overdone.

I think the fact that many got caught out by Brexit meant lots have gone flat or hedged accordingly, The vix was up 8 days in a row last week which has never happened in history and easy with hindsight now but people were probably overpaying for protection.

Imo market expectation is a Clinton win and so if Trump does get in they'll be a sell off but for the reasons above I don't think it will be as bad as Brexit on initial reaction. Gold again should be pricing in a Clinton win so I don't expect too much of a sell off in that.

Question becomes if Clinton gets in, and market rallies well then everyone who took risk off might have to chase at higher prices, I'm targeting new highs somewhere around 2250 SPX by year end.

Forget the election for a moment and have a look at what some of the commodities have done the last week or so.

Judging by option markets:
Clinton = Spx 2140-2160
Trump = Spx 2030-2050

Edited by twinturboz on Tuesday 8th November 13:15


Shaping up to be a fade the news regardless of who wins.

Edited by twinturboz on Tuesday 8th November 17:02

twinturboz

1,278 posts

179 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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Brexit all over again almost limit down. Gold flying.

g4ry13

17,046 posts

256 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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So are the indices selling off. £ actually gaining against the $. Wednesday/Thursday could be a good day to buy some stocks.

twinturboz

1,278 posts

179 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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Yup bang on but possible let it dip further if Trump does get in. Not sure this is going to bounce back as quick as Brexit.

NRS

22,214 posts

202 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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g4ry13 said:
So are the indices selling off. £ actually gaining against the $. Wednesday/Thursday could be a good day to buy some stocks.
That is my plan. Had a feeling it would be like Brexit again as I think quite a lot of people don't want to say they will vote for the 'stupid' choice publically. And whether you think it is right or not there are a lot of people unhappy with the modern day system out there. Whether this is the way to fix it is another question, but it was the reason for moving to more cash.

No idea how my gdx will work out, but I suspect down for a bit. Any types of stock that are best to try and buy low?

dom9

8,090 posts

210 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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Holding USD (but living here and spending GBP) and being heavily invested in the markets... I suspect this could 'cost' me 10s of 1000s in the short term!

Will be 'interesting' to see how this all unfolds...

djc206

12,375 posts

126 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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What do people think about FLYB? They've warned about the effect of Brexit, posted a lower profit (still a profit) and lost their long term CEO all in a couple of weeks but to me they look really cheap at 30p. Am I missing something?

daniel1920

310 posts

119 months

Wednesday 9th November 2016
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daniel1920 said:
DSLiverpool said:
Serious question - will shares dive deeper than deep if Donald gets the vote ? should I at least part convert to £
Ill be holding onto my BAE systems...
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