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ClaphamGT3

3,371 posts

112 months

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monthefish said:
jdw1234 said:
monthefish said:
Dave_ST220 said:
Trustmeimadoctor said:
the new site we are buying on 83 plots iirc no social a few others we looked at had no social on either
Love to know how they have achieved that one, who's the developer & what site? New build with no social? Good luck.
A local developer in this area managed that, by arguing that his 'social housing' quota was achieved by means of a block of flats he was building elsewhere (about 3 miles away).
That is what the Candy Brothers did with 1 Hyde Park I believe.
Maybe it's more common/legal than I thought.
(I thought the local chap here had done it with an envelope of 'used' notes to the planning dept)
An off-site provision or commuted sum are quite rare and hard to obtain. You have to argue the case to planners very hard on these

lawrence567

7,507 posts

59 months

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Just a quick one for all the "i pay my taxes" etc lot.
You do realise that in social housing it's not just work shy, thieving s that live in them.
The elderly & disabled also live in them.
I know a couple of people who lvie in "social housing" which are mixed amongst privately owned houses.
Of those houses they are by far the better neighbours, not noisy, look after their gardens etc as they know if they mis-behave they won't have a house to live in.
I know there's always the exception but not everyone's a fkwit.

OllieC

2,835 posts

83 months

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lawrence567 said:
Just a quick one for all the "i pay my taxes" etc lot.
You do realise that in social housing it's not just work shy, thieving s that live in them.
The elderly & disabled also live in them.
I know a couple of people who lvie in "social housing" which are mixed amongst privately owned houses.
Of those houses they are by far the better neighbours, not noisy, look after their gardens etc as they know if they mis-behave they won't have a house to live in.
I know there's always the exception but not everyone's a fkwit.
A fair point, we mustn't tar everyone with the same brush.

I still wouldn't want the risk of living near social housing given the choice though. I'm no snob by any means, and my parents grew up on a council estate, but I'd rather live somewhere nice please.

garyhun

13,997 posts

97 months

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lawrence567 said:
You do realise that in social housing it's not just work shy, thieving s that live in them.
Hence why, in my earlier post, I stated that it's not the housing that's the issue, it's the people in them.

Munter

23,712 posts

110 months

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OllieC said:
A fair point, we mustn't tar everyone with the same brush.

I still wouldn't want the risk of living near social housing given the choice though. I'm no snob by any means, and my parents grew up on a council estate, but I'd rather live somewhere nice please.
Social Housing not equal to council housing.

Social housing includes people with mortgages, and those without. Social Housing includes people who can lose their home and be moved in to council funded accommodation, and those who are already in council funded accommodation.

If anybody is thinking Social Housing is just people "being put up by the Gov" it's not. I've never taken a penny in benefits, I pay 40% tax (far to fking much of it as well!), and I live in social housing.

If you don't like dole scrounging wasters, being homed by the Gov. It's not social housing you don't like. You'd be using totally the wrong term.

Government funded rental accommodation would be a better description. And even then that includes those people mentioned above who have legitimate reasons to need the state to assist them.

What we need is accommodation that's built from concrete and stainless steel, where antisocial neighbours in council funded accommodation are moved to.
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OllieC

2,835 posts

83 months

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Munter said:
OllieC said:
A fair point, we mustn't tar everyone with the same brush.

I still wouldn't want the risk of living near social housing given the choice though. I'm no snob by any means, and my parents grew up on a council estate, but I'd rather live somewhere nice please.
Social Housing not equal to council housing.

Social housing includes people with mortgages, and those without. Social Housing includes people who can lose their home and be moved in to council funded accommodation, and those who are already in council funded accommodation.

If anybody is thinking Social Housing is just people "being put up by the Gov" it's not. I've never taken a penny in benefits, I pay 40% tax (far to fking much of it as well!), and I live in social housing.

If you don't like dole scrounging wasters, being homed by the Gov. It's not social housing you don't like. You'd be using totally the wrong term.

Government funded rental accommodation would be a better description. And even then that includes those people mentioned above who have legitimate reasons to need the state to assist them.

What we need is accommodation that's built from concrete and stainless steel, where antisocial neighbours in council funded accommodation are moved to.
I'm sorry if my post came across as suggesting that it is just people being given a free house etc, I didn't mean to infer that. There is very much a need, and every justification for providing housing for those who are willing to try and help themselves.

Munter

23,712 posts

110 months

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OllieC said:
I'm sorry if my post came across as suggesting that it is just people being given a free house etc, I didn't mean to infer that. There is very much a need, and every justification for providing housing for those who are willing to try and help themselves.
No worries. beer

It just annoys me that people think social housing is just about council/housing association rented property. When it isn't. There are a number of different types of "homes" under the Social Housing umbrella. So developers/gov/anybody referring to something as Social Housing really doesn't tell us anything about it. The question "what type?" has to be asked next to gain more insight into who could live there in the worst case.

yellowbentines

3,451 posts

76 months

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I think some of you are confusing social housing with affordable housing, which includes shared equity and shared ownership properties, bought by people who work, pay taxes and have mortgages, but need a hand up due to restrictive mortgage lending by banks.

The biggest problem 'tenants' in the town I live in is from large 4-6 bed new build houses being bought by those that couldn't afford the mortgage, then let out to huge families of reprobates who get the rent paid by the DSS, let their manky kids run riot until all hours, and leave their gardens looking like the jungle.

So...presence of social housing on a new build estate says nowt about the type of person who will likely live there.

Dave_ST220

7,722 posts

74 months

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lawrence567 said:
Just a quick one for all the "i pay my taxes" etc lot.
You do realise that in social housing it's not just work shy, thieving s that live in them.
The elderly & disabled also live in them.
I know a couple of people who lvie in "social housing" which are mixed amongst privately owned houses.
Of those houses they are by far the better neighbours, not noisy, look after their gardens etc as they know if they mis-behave they won't have a house to live in.
I know there's always the exception but not everyone's a fkwit.
The majority are the former without doubt. As for the misbehaving & your out rubbish, bullst, do some Googling & see how long it took a Manchester housing association to evict known drug dealers.

madslk

30 posts

25 months

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I have direct experience on both counts, firstly I work for a housing association and secondly I live on a relatively new build close which has a mixture of o/o, btl, private rentals and social housing. In my experience I've never had a problem with the s/h, it's the private rentals that do my head in! Parties and old bangers rotting in the car park! I do however get my alarm serviced yearly! Lol

From my employment point of view it is the 1% minority who tar everyone else with the same brush. It is also different from town to town. In my local area generally everyone is very respectful of their neighbours and really look after their houses which makes my life easier! An hour up the road however my life gets difficult! (I work in maintainance). The properties are not looked after and are general st heaps! It doesn't help that the association doesn't have a big enough budget to maintain as we would like, given the right budget we could make the houses really great. However it doesn't help with the tenants mind set. They have different life skills and have been brought up differently others.

From a management point of view I can see why people don't want to live near s/h, but if you doand are having problems complain complain complain. They will get moved on eventually. Just feel sorry for who gets them next.

worsy

1,267 posts

44 months

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Sadly all of this sounds familiar.

We live in a lovely house, nice quiet spot overlooking steam railway and a field full of a protected flower. Bought the house new and specced it to our requirements.

Our driveway is shared amongst 3 other large properties and one coach house. The coach house has 4 garages below one for itself and three for two of our neighbours.

Unfortunately it's a BTL and the owner advertises it on Gumtree. The standard of tenant has got worse and we now have some fat minger in there with 3 kids.

They don't go to school, hang out of the window, throw things on the floor etc. The social appeared to take the them into care a few months back as a car with some official people came one day but now they appear back. Same car visits every now and then, assume she is social worker. During the day all you can hear is "f**k this" "f**k that" at the kids.

Just looking at her garage now and there are 5 bin bags sitting there, mounting up over the last few days becuase she seemingly can't be arsed opening the garage to put them in the bin. To top that her boyfriends dog has s**t all over her neighbours front path.

I really want to move but love my home.



Edited for spelling.

Edited by worsy on Wednesday 8th June 23:11

Dave_ST220

7,722 posts

74 months

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worsy said:
I really want to move but love my home.
So do I but I'm getting out before I can't sell it at any price frown

littlegreenfairy

9,365 posts

90 months

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worsy said:
Sadly all of this sounds familiar.

We live in a lovely house, nice quiet spot overlooking steam railway and a field full of a protected flower. Bought the house new and specced it to our requirements.

Our driveway is shared amongst 3 other large properties and one coach house. The coach house has 4 garages below one for itself and three for two of our neighbours.

Unfortunately it's a BTL and the owner advertises it on Gumtree. The standard of tenant has got worse and we know have some fat minger in there with 3 kids.

They don't go to school, hang out of the window, throw things on the floor etc. The social appeared to take the them into care a few months back as a car with some official people came one day but now they appear back. Same car visits every now and then, assume she is social worker. During the day all you can hear is "f**k this" "f**k that" at the kids.

Just looking at her garage now and there are 5 bin bags sitting there, mounting up over the last few days becuase she seemingly can't be arsed opening the garage to put them in the bin. To top that her boyfriends dog has s**t all over her neighbours front path.

I really want to move but love my home.
Sounds similar to the area I'm in.

Massive mistake to rent a flat in a smallish block thinking that it'd be with similar minded people. It's a little chavvy and I'm convinced most don't work, especially the neighbour who rather likes their ¨intimate time' with their other half. She's a screamer and being woken up at 2am with it really ruins your day.

worsy

1,267 posts

44 months

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littlegreenfairy said:
Sounds similar to the area I'm in.

Massive mistake to rent a flat in a smallish block thinking that it'd be with similar minded people. It's a little chavvy and I'm convinced most don't work, especially the neighbour who rather likes their ¨intimate time' with their other half. She's a screamer and being woken up at 2am with it really ruins your day.
Went past your place Sat. Very quiet round there, you'd never know!

littlegreenfairy

9,365 posts

90 months

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worsy said:
littlegreenfairy said:
Sounds similar to the area I'm in.

Massive mistake to rent a flat in a smallish block thinking that it'd be with similar minded people. It's a little chavvy and I'm convinced most don't work, especially the neighbour who rather likes their ¨intimate time' with their other half. She's a screamer and being woken up at 2am with it really ruins your day.
Went past your place Sat. Very quiet round there, you'd never know!
Ah we do live in the sort of same place! Yes, I know who you are now!

It's by no means as bad as your situation but I'd still not want to part with my cash to buy a place like this.

It's a real shame about your end because it's a very nice place on the whole. Perhaps we should swap houses with your problem neighbour and let her inflict herself on mine wink

P101

812 posts

27 months

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An awful lot of the residents living in social housing (Council housing) are total scum and don't help themselves at all. We have a small amount of these houses near us. They let the whole area down. Most have really skanky gardens littered with fag buts and dog st, England flags in the windows, rusty cars and vans blocking the streets, fat bints sat outside the front of the house smoking spliffs all day. When I walk my dog past this area you can nearly always hear the occupants shouting at their kids or screaming profanities at each other. Why do chavs shout all the time? have they not learnt to go over to the person they want to communicate with and talk? There is a rule that no white Van type vehicles are allowed to be parked on a permanent basis on our development, when I complained to the council, I was told that the social housing occupants have different rules, because most of them are blue collar workers and rely on their vans, they are exempt from this rule! But none of them bloody work! They use their vans as far as I have witnessed for fly tipping! Also we pay an annual fee for the maintenance to communal area's, grass cutting etc, most of this communal land is around the social housing area, yet they pay diddly squat! In the couple of years of living here I have witnessed chav kids setting light to tyres, dumping rotting mattresses on the communal playground, using portable BBQ's on the grass in this same playground scorching the grass, then emptying it on the grass, littering same area with beer cans. Luckily we only have one road of about 5 houses near us like this. Dread to think what it would be like if there were more.
I should add, there is one Social home in this road lived in by some pensioners, their home is extremely well kept. Why don't they put the scum in tower blocks, and the more civilised more deserving tenants into the nicer areas.

Dave_ST220

7,722 posts

74 months

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Why don't they just tell the scum to fk off? Get a job or starve to death. Simple. Social housing should not be a life style for those who do not want top work & do not care about their surroundings.

garyhun

13,997 posts

97 months

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Dave_ST220 said:
Why don't they just tell the scum to fk off? Get a job or starve to death. Simple. Social housing should not be a life style for those who do not want top work & do not care about their surroundings.
Because it loses votes?

otolith

19,408 posts

73 months

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Soovy said:
They should all be left to fester in their own vileness in areas well away from the rest of us.


Should do the trick.

JB!

3,846 posts

49 months

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This has happened in Broughton in MK, massive expensive homes surrounded by social housing all piled in, as tight as they can build them. It's st.

At least with the old way you could just plain avoid the scummy areas, Fishermead, Conniburrow, The Lakes, but now it's all mixed in. No way on earth do I ever want to buy or rent in any of the new estates purely for that reason.
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