3 phase electric HELP

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cqueen

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Monday 12th September 2011
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sjj84 said:
At the top are there just two wires? One connected to 2 and one to 4?
Not sure what you mean, could you expand?

cqueen

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Monday 12th September 2011
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A little futher info. I wont have all 4 motors starting at the same time.

I will start motor 1 and that will run constantly, then 5mins later start motor 2. Then 10mins later I will turn off motor 2, but will instantly turn on motors 3 & 4 together.

So max of 2 starting motors at one time and most likely no more than 3 running at any time.

cqueen

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Monday 12th September 2011
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sjj84 said:
The Siemens unit, at the bottom as can be seen in the picture you've got two wires coming out which are marked up as 24v, what is going into the top of the unit?
Nothing else going in/out of the top of the unit.

cqueen

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Monday 12th September 2011
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I read that for running multiple motors it's better to have a rotary converter - bugger me they are noisy though frown

Who is the guy from drive converters? does he have a website?

Thanks

cqueen

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Monday 12th September 2011
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This is turning into a right ball ache. I'll give him a call tomorrow, thanks again.

cqueen

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Friday 14th October 2011
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Ok update.

I've bought a PC40 static converter rated at 20 amps. The problem is, the 3 phase converter female output socket has 4 holes. The male plug on my machine has 5 pins...

Anyone care to point me in the right direction?

Cheers

Chris

cqueen

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Friday 14th October 2011
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Phew, thats a relief. Could I do it myself?

cqueen

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Friday 14th October 2011
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Ive done a little internet reading and it seems as if the 5th pin on my machine is the neutral wire for powering the things in the machine that are not 3 phase, i.e. light bulbs, temp gauges etc.

FFs, this just gets worse!

cqueen

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Saturday 15th October 2011
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jason s4 said:
Which is what i posted above.

Why dont you just get an electrician in to sort this???????????

The amount of time spent posting on here and searching the net, it could have been done and working.

Mad.
We posted above at exactly the same time.

I've already said - I've spoken to a couple of motor specialist companies about it - they were not interested. Typical sparks don't deal with 3 phase. Unless you can reccomend someone?

Add to that, whenever I speak to a spark they say "why dont you just buy a converter?", whenever I speak to a company that sells converters they say "why dont you just get it re-wired?".

Mad? very!

Edited by cqueen on Saturday 15th October 19:25

cqueen

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Saturday 15th October 2011
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dave144 said:
Judging by the size of the transformer i'd say it's a 240V primary 24V secondary transformer?
confused

cqueen

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Sunday 16th October 2011
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There's a piece in the Clarke phase converter manual that says 'if you need a neutral - contact our service dept'. Aside from taking the thing back and re-building it (unlikely?)- what else could they offer?

cqueen

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Sunday 16th October 2011
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freecar said:
Why don't you contact them and find out!?
Why does everyone have to be a smart arse?! I have already contacted them - no reply yet.






cqueen

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Monday 17th October 2011
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Ok Clarke say this, make sense to anyone?....

Chris

Ideally you should isolate the 230v controls & run them separately. However if you can find a suitable socket to fit to the PC40 you can connect neutral from the incoming supply but you must ensure that the controls are driven from L1 to neutral, L2 & L3 will not have 230v in relation to neutral which is why it is not provided.

It might be better to talk about this, call the number below if you have any queries.

Regards

cqueen

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Monday 17th October 2011
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Simpo Two said:
I'm quite impressed. He's been dabbling with three-phase for over a month and is still alive!
Well, I havnt tried touching anything yet. Slow and steady wins the race.

cqueen

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Friday 21st October 2011
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Update. Well I've finally managed to find a spark that can re-wire the machine "no problem".

Anyone want an unused 3 phase converter? smile

cqueen

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Friday 21st October 2011
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I bought it new on ebay. Thankfully the seller accepts returns. Today is a good day.

cqueen

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Monday 24th October 2011
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Lol this'll make ya laugh...

So the sparky turns up. Very quiet old boy - which I found re-assuring. I showed him to the shed and he got his specs out and was getting involved. "I'll leave you to it for a while shall I?".

So I make him a cuppa, I'm standing around waiting in the kitchen, even cleaning stuff just to pass the time. About half an hour later he comes back in and I say:

"Right what's the verdict then doc?"

to which he replies: "........hmmmmmm, well - I think you need an inverter".

punch

I had to laugh, otherwise I'd cry. I explained that I already have an 'inverter' but it doesnt have a neutral pin "oh i see!"........... "hmmmm yes".

So he's taken lots of photos and he's gonna speak to his boss.

Oh what a world.


cqueen

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Thursday 15th December 2011
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Ok update time.

I waited and waited for the correct type of converter to come up second hand on ebay. after about 3 weeks I decided enough was enough and shelled out £550 for the kit that I needed. It arrived yesterday, all was going well until I turned it on. Trip switch gone - Apparently I need a C type MCB and not a B type, because the surge is too high.

Why can't things just work?!

So I've got a C type and will try again tonight. Even if it does solve the problem, no doubt there will be several more herdles to sort out before I finally get this thing going! Still not losing my rag yet though smile

cqueen

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Friday 16th December 2011
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Gareth79 said:
The coffee had better be damned good biggrin
It will be!

The saga continues, the new MCB but I bought doesnt fit! so I took one of the originals to the shop and he said "oh - they dont make that type anymore!".

So, had to buy a new consumer unit and a load of MCBs.

Ffs when will this torture end.

Edited by cqueen on Friday 16th December 22:07

cqueen

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Saturday 17th December 2011
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They were Eaton MCB's (the old type).

Well, my old man wired in the new consumer unit (wrongly), blew the most expensive part (the incomer?) by getting the L & N the wrong way round ... (jesus christ redcard)

Shops closed on sat afternoon, sunday prob wont have much joy either. Lord have mercy.