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sassthathoopie

737 posts

84 months

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My girlfriend and I have been looking at plots in the south of France with a view to building a home - we'll be eagerly following your progress. Try to let us know how you get on with the locals, particularly the local politicians - advice much appreciated!

Glad you're now getting a chance to follow a dream after some difficult years. Best of luck

Pvapour

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caziques said:

To get a feel for what's going on (and yes I think a lot of people on here will be interested) can you tell us how old you are? and whereabouts in France?

As a general rule trying to be self sufficient in energy is very difficult, or rather it can be very capital intensive.

I may be able to help with some ideas - I'm 54 - lived in the midlands until 1999, moved to NZ and now find myself involved with heating solutions for Christchurch - which is the same latitude as the south of France.

Glad to hear you are near the end of your personal life problems.
that'd be great caziques, complete self sufficiency energy wise is a non runner really, expenses will be subsidised by the Gites, but we'll try and get things as efficient as poss for the money we have.

both In our 40s so now or never biggrin we're near Bergerac 24

sassthathoopie said:
My girlfriend and I have been looking at plots in the south of France with a view to building a home - we'll be eagerly following your progress. Try to let us know how you get on with the locals, particularly the local politicians - advice much appreciated!

Glad you're now getting a chance to follow a dream after some difficult years. Best of luck
Antibes - the first place we lived when we moved over, some lovely memories smile (except for summer traffic eek)

our mayoress is wonderful & behind us all the way, some of the obstacles we faced in planning we'd never have got through without her!

back to roof.....


marctwo

2,790 posts

129 months

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Good luck. I hope your Wife is doing well. Try to stay away from Forza 4!

CharlesdeGaulle

1,550 posts

49 months

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Fantastic concept, imagination and thread! Good luck with all of it.

I guarantee there will be loads of avid (and jealous) followers over the coming months. I, for one, can't wait.

tim2100

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E36GUY

3,858 posts

87 months

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Wow. What a great project. Will be following! Would love a place in France

tokyo_mb

123 posts

86 months

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Looks interesting.

Have loads of memories of helping my parents with a house and barn in the northern Dordogne as a teenager. Started with four walls and a roof, condemned electrics and one cold tap - some great holidays there.

Waugh-terfall

17,980 posts

69 months

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Whereabouts in the Dordoge is this? My Grandparents have lived near Riberac since 2003, we're out there every summer, and were before they moved too, know the area pretty well now, lovely region.

rex

1,355 posts

135 months

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Cracking stuff pva. Hope you still find time for the GT5 racing. Very exciting project and if you have half the fun I have had with my build you will love it. There will be many stressful times as well but the end goal is what to keep focus on. Enjoy

Roo

5,872 posts

76 months

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I'd be very interested to know the calculations for income from the gites if possible.

Number of rented rooms in how many individual units, expected season length etc.

I expect they're going to be finished to a high standard with all mod-cons as opposed to the shabby chic approach that a lot of them seem to think is still acceptable.

Pvapour

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6,250 posts

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louiebaby said:
Sounds like a logical next step. I like the look of "F" in a holiday home to rent kind of way. It looks a bit small for a main house, but perfect for a holiday cottage!
Is that a booking? biggrin

Coneyhurst Blue said:
This looks like it has the makings of a real adventure !
yes a BIG adventure! a journey, more than just a build (sounds a bit corny I know, but...)

Its been very revealing for me starting this thread, as since leaving the UK I've sort of put all UK memories behind me trying to move forward, but starting this thread has sent me further & further back trying to find a start point, I think I've found it so please excuse me whilst I indulge, its quite apparent I have a need to record what's happened as well as what's happening, apologies in advance frown

The earlier days of our lives in the UK were an adventure & we shared them right from the start, Gills were about proving herself in the business world & seeing what she was capable of acidemicly.

Mine was seeing how much fun we could have along the way & at the same time supporting Gill in her quest & later on, the rebuilding of her physical self after the accident.

Cars & motorbikes played (& still do) a huge part in my quest for fun smile learning to drive & ride, driving/riding fast, owning fast cars/bikes, track days etc & the reason I'm here on PH posting smile

I've always enjoyed pushing things until they broke, knowing where the limits are but exceeding them first sort of thing, you'll see this in the pages to come hehe & probably cringe over, I'm sure I'll get some stick but also sure is deserved considering my lack of respect for health & safety (for myself)

weirdly though I've always looked after my health & fitness above all else, without it I know I wouldn't have the discipline or confidence to carry out the build, its given me a deep seated belief in my ability to just keep going, no matter what!




I think our story starts in the latter part of our lives in the UK....

We (as many) were not happy with the quality of our lives anymore, we had done everything we could within the environment of the UK, my wife had achieved the goals she had set herself in the business world & now she would stare at the crane drivers job out the window with envious thoughts, also her injuries were now at a point where she was fully mobile again so my supporting role to her goals were redundant & with fast cars, track days, hoons etc becoming normal rather than exciting, it was very clear that our adventure now lay elsewhere, looking back, our holidays taken from the UK for the last few years had become searches more than holidays...

stick with me everyone, I'm not normally this detailed, later it will definitely be more 'quips with images' its just something I feel compelled to write thats taken me a little off guard....

I'll skip through our: country to live in, French play period & property search & straight to..

the very day we signed our compromis de vente (comitment to buy)

that very day we went on our hunt for an Architect...

we had 6 months to gain planning, after which the compomis de vente would expire giving the farmer or us the option to pull out or renegotiate price, the french snail race was on....

My wife is very creative & we'd already designed & renovated a couple of our houses in the UK..


DSC00406 by pvapour, on Flickr


final 2 by pvapour, on Flickr


Front by pvapour, on Flickr


so we only really needed a draughtsman to pen our ideas for the planning office DDE



we knew roughly what to expect cost wise from people on forums, we interviewed 6 different prospective architects, 3 french, 3 english all at the property over a couple of weeks, the French farmer we were buying from was incredibly friendly & understanding.

3 stood out from the rest.

An english guy who had a column in the local english property paper, nice guy who knew his beans at a sensible price but after reading his column we realised he goes on holiday a fair bit!

A French lady who drove from the wrong side of Bordeaux (70 miles) to see us, 10/10 for effort! but she was the maddest arty type person I have ever met, scatty was not the word, very sweet & amusing with it though. One amusing point was her reluctance to enter the tiny house as she was scared of spiders, her fears were relised when we saw a HUGE spider lower itself onto her shoulder, she must have seen the horror on our faces & then saw what had landed, my hearing has only just recovered!!

That leaves David, a very gentle & historically sympathetic Architect, he felt the same way about the little house that I did, its difficult to describe what it is about this house but he was silenced with the same emotion. he was happy just to pipe up with additional ideas to our already quite detailed design avoiding the threes a crowd scenario. Its quite hard to find an architect who is happy to do this as they like to create (understandably I guess)

we had already visited the DDE (planning office) in Bergerac to get a rough idea as to acceptance of our proposal, which was very positive (misleadingly so)

Because of the 16th century little house we were advised to visit the controlling arm of architecture in Pergoux,, a very interesting day with four people sat round the largest table I have ever seen, I could only just see the tiny french guy sat the other end.

It all went well with no real objections to the change in use on the barns, so David put our plans to paper, we submitted & put up our board, then waited & waited....

an answer within 3 months is mandatory but they reserve the right to lengthen this if there is missing information from the application, 2 days before the 3 month period were up a letter arrives stating there is missing information, uh huh! we play the game & give the 'missing' info, another 3 months pass with no objections from anyone concerned & we just about squeeze the purchase in within the 6 month period, phew!

apologies for all the info, next will (I promise) be our plan....

Edited by Pvapour on Thursday 13th December 22:12

Jamirecluse

407 posts

20 months

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Sounds good.Bookmarked.

K50 DEL

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97 months

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Fanastic basis for a thread, please keep updating.

louiebaby

5,342 posts

60 months

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Pvapour said:
louiebaby said:
Sounds like a logical next step. I like the look of "F" in a holiday home to rent kind of way. It looks a bit small for a main house, but perfect for a holiday cottage!
Is that a booking? biggrin
Your very first I think!

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sassthathoopie

737 posts

84 months

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Pvapour said:
I'll skip through our: country to live in, French play period & property search & straight to..

the very day we signed our compromis de vente (comitment to buy)
Please don't skip bits - we'd be keen to hear about this too!

Pvapour

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6,250 posts

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the plan is to achieve a lifestyle that incorporates all the things that we love in life....

for me: health & fitness, cars, motorbikes, photography, solitude

for Gill: Animals, creative environment, gardening, library, cooking.




Health & Fitness - we first met in the gym many many years ago & to this day it is as much a part of our day to day life as brushing our teeth, we intend to keep that going as far into old age as possible, so a gym was to be an essential part of our project but it also has to pay for itself in order to work, so eventually it will be incorporated into a small but attractive spa.

Animals - Giant rabbits but all other animals to be dwarf; donkeys, alpacas, pigs (dont ask!) with petting area for guests

creative environment - project will be taking at least 5 years, Gill has completely autonomy on design & marketing thereafter

Cars & motorbikes - a mixed range of vehicles to rent from 2CV > Caterham, / Scooter > Harley

Photography - Wild meadow for Macro, small lake with hide for wildlife, to offer photographic weekend breaks

Gardening - orchards (pear, peach, walnuts, cherries etc) & vegetable garden inc. polly tunnel for tropical plants & fruits

cooking - creating foods from our bio grown vegies & fruits, sell locally at markets & for guests


Phase 1

first things first create a temporary dwelling from building 'D' so we have somewhere to live whilst restoring the first house ('F') been caught short on our rental ending as we were meant to get procession much earlier, but due to the lovely people at the DDE though we need to get this house round in about 3 weeks eek
its not been lived in for 20 years, we have lead paint & asbestos items to deal with which means getting suited up in 35 degree heat & I sweat like wrestlers crotch anyway. There is god knows how much rubbish in the house where its just been used as a dumping ground, no bathroom or kitchen but we did buy and store a kitchen from B&Q (select I'll have you know biggrin) back in the January sales so at least we dont have to go back to UK & source one.

clearing takes 3 days & 6 bonfires, one of which almost killed me, I had a moment of panic when I turned on my 'set up' emergency water hose extinguisher only for a dribble to come out the end, flames licking over my head a frantic stamping on pipe released the blockage and colour returned to my cheeks


_MG_7615 by pvapour, on Flickr


I figure Fix a foam & white emulsion with a compressor is the way to go yes


_MG_7470 by pvapour, on Flickr

we have some BIG holes in the floor, tiles are laid directly onto earth in building this old, animals burrow & you disappear hehe found some hardcore on the farm which mixed with fix a foam becomes a very good expanding underfloor support thumbup


IMG_0202 by pvapour, on Flickr

the rest of it is a whirl wind of work & I'm a nightmare when pushing this hard, not someone you'd want to be round. Gill who's completely out of her comfort zone copes incredibly well with my 'way' she also has physical demands on her she's never had to deal with before, a scary start for her as she's worried I'm like this to work with ALL the time, doesn't bode well for the 5 -6 years we have in mind for the project!
luckily I know I'm not like this normally & sanity will return....
anyway, we did achieve it smile including a luxury (sort of) bathroom (I HATE PLUMBING!!)

some before & afters

music gets and keeps wheels rolling...


_MG_7552 by pvapour, on Flickr

hallway, complete with asbestos ceiling


_MG_7471 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7784 by pvapour, on Flickr

Kitchen


_MG_7475 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7626 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7787 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7786 by pvapour, on Flickr



Lounge

get sky tv in asap biggrin


_MG_7656_2 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7631 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7789 by pvapour, on Flickr


New Grizzly quad working hard


_MG_7657 by pvapour, on Flickr

Our day office


_MG_7505 by pvapour, on Flickr
bedroom


_MG_7781 by pvapour, on Flickr

Bathroom (outside garden terrace shower) all open at the moment and needs glassing in and door/ frame fitting


_MG_7637 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7640_2 by pvapour, on Flickr

muncher toilet that liquidizes contents :sick: but useful at the moment


_MG_7642_2 by pvapour, on Flickr

rip out these and fit a bath


_MG_7638 by pvapour, on Flickr


terrace all glassed in, raised bath looks through window (beauty of no neighbors) onto orchard, small thing but lovely to relax in when everything else is make shift.


DSC01188 by pvapour, on Flickr

upstairs - to be converted eventually but tidy for now having cleared all the rubbish, lovely timberwork


_MG_7516 by pvapour, on Flickr


_MG_7517 by pvapour, on Flickr





we now have a base but we're knackered, we need to rest but we need some things back in UK more frown so no rest for the wicked as they say & off we go...





Edited by Pvapour on Friday 14th December 07:09


Edited by Pvapour on Friday 14th December 15:23

jamescodriver

202 posts

62 months

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Bloody hell!

I couldnt be arsed to put my black bags out last night and you do that!

Best of luck, cant wait for remainder!

Laurel Green

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101 months

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Strewth! I'm going to need a few beers after witnessing all that work. thumbup

Roo

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Looking goog. Fair amount of hard work already done there.

You could do with a pick up of some sort to carry all your materials around in. wink

98elise

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Pvapour said:
is anyone interested in following our build? I wont bore you if not smile
Are you mental.....this will be a great thread smile

Best of luck, I'd love to do this myself in a few years

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