Our build thread, renovation and extension
Discussion
Muncher said:
GreatGranny said:
Great project.
Only plans I've seen when all upstairs toilets are on inside walls.
Are there any connected directly to the SVPs?
All bar one should be, it's just the front one which is not possible to connect to an SVP.Only plans I've seen when all upstairs toilets are on inside walls.
Are there any connected directly to the SVPs?
Even with a macerator on the front toilet, I think you would be wise to check that you have enough vertical distance to play with. With the length of run of the 50mm pipe to the nearest SVP and the need to a minimum fall of 1 in 60 (that's for sewers - it may well be more in homes), will you have enough vertical height to do this? The last thin you want is a bulkhead in the ceiling of a downstairs room somewhere close to the SPV so you can maintain this fall. Also check for compatibility with the direction of the upper floor joists...
Watching this thread with interest, though, because in a couple of years I'll be doing all this to my (albeit smaller) house. Basically gutting it and starting again. I already know a new shower is going to have to be installed on a plinth due to problems with joists running the wrong way...
Edited by dxg on Tuesday 3rd April 15:50
Here are the final planning permission drawings, click the links below for full sized versions.
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan1.jpg
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan2.jpg
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan3.jpg
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan4.jpg
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan1.jpg
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan2.jpg
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan3.jpg
http://www.muncher.org.uk/plan4.jpg
Just got a response from the head planning officer at the council, he loves it
He's had a look round, thinks it complements the existing house perfectly, not too big and he wouldn't change anything about it.
So, fingers crossed it should be rubber stamped in 6-8 weeks and we can start properly!
He's had a look round, thinks it complements the existing house perfectly, not too big and he wouldn't change anything about it.
So, fingers crossed it should be rubber stamped in 6-8 weeks and we can start properly!
RC944 said:
Would that include supply and installation of white goods and kitchen and bathrooms?
Yes, but I haven't seen the breakdown yet so I've no idea to what extent they went to town on kitchen applicances etc. Apparently most of my estimates for certain things (materials and labour that we could not avoid) were pretty accurate.Well I met with my prospective builder at the weekend, he comes recommended by my architect who I trust and I know him personally, he used to be my football manager when I was 11-15.
He employed a quantity surveyor to price up the job to give me an idea of what to expect, he did point out that it's on a worst case basis, but having looked at the figures I can't help but think some of the things are way out.
Just one example of this is the price for the external walls, which comes out at over £18k inc VAT.
Now there is 89m2 of blockwork in each skin and a little brickwork (only from the ground less than 1m to form a plinth). Now every single way I try to calculate it, using figures in the housebuilder's bible, contract rate documents online, online calculators and current blockwork prices in magazines I can only get to about £7-8k, including render.
I can't possibly see what else is included in that figure as everything else such as insulation is carved out and priced separately. Therefore I can't escape the conclusion that the QS is overpricing it by so much his estimates are totally worthless.
He employed a quantity surveyor to price up the job to give me an idea of what to expect, he did point out that it's on a worst case basis, but having looked at the figures I can't help but think some of the things are way out.
Just one example of this is the price for the external walls, which comes out at over £18k inc VAT.
Now there is 89m2 of blockwork in each skin and a little brickwork (only from the ground less than 1m to form a plinth). Now every single way I try to calculate it, using figures in the housebuilder's bible, contract rate documents online, online calculators and current blockwork prices in magazines I can only get to about £7-8k, including render.
I can't possibly see what else is included in that figure as everything else such as insulation is carved out and priced separately. Therefore I can't escape the conclusion that the QS is overpricing it by so much his estimates are totally worthless.
Muncher said:
Now there is 89m2 of blockwork in each skin and a little brickwork (only from the ground less than 1m to form a plinth). Now every single way I try to calculate it, using figures in the housebuilder's bible, contract rate documents online, online calculators and current blockwork prices in magazines I can only get to about £7-8k, including render.
Ah, you forgot to add in the "Magic Circle" factor weighting in build price adjustments. 
Muncher said:
I can't possibly see what else is included in that figure as everything else such as insulation is carved out and priced separately. Therefore I can't escape the conclusion that the QS is overpricing it by so much his estimates are totally worthless.
That word makes me shudder with tradesmen. I can't help thinking you are opening yourself up to a world of pain with an estimate. Can't he give a set price for the job?Great thread BTW.
MonkeyBusiness said:
That word makes me shudder with tradesmen. I can't help thinking you are opening yourself up to a world of pain with an estimate. Can't he give a set price for the job?
Great thread BTW.
Oh absolutely, it will proceed on a fixed price that I am happy with once we have actual quantities. I'm just struggling to see the value in an estimate from a QS that is ridiculously on the high side, you can't use it for any sensible planning at all.Great thread BTW.
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