Our build thread, renovation and extension
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Hmmm, got a bit of a problem with the slate patio.
Several of the slabs have lifted, especially the smaller ones at the front edge. I was aware that slate is sometimes difficult to stick so I did everything I could, following what Paving Expert said.
They were laid on a wet bed of 4:1 cement and sharp sand. The back of every slate was painted with slurry of SBR and cement as suggested. I am hoping this is only isolated and that the rest of the slabs will be held solid with an epoxy grout (not done yet). I can only think using a flexible tile adhesive to relay the problem ones onto the existing concrete bed may help?
Several of the slabs have lifted, especially the smaller ones at the front edge. I was aware that slate is sometimes difficult to stick so I did everything I could, following what Paving Expert said.
They were laid on a wet bed of 4:1 cement and sharp sand. The back of every slate was painted with slurry of SBR and cement as suggested. I am hoping this is only isolated and that the rest of the slabs will be held solid with an epoxy grout (not done yet). I can only think using a flexible tile adhesive to relay the problem ones onto the existing concrete bed may help?
I have a similar problem - the steps on my patio didn't stick. My plan, when the weather warms up is to cut a cross hatch pattern on the underside and bed on cementitious grout. My neighbour recommended it, he said it sticks to everything and because it doesn't shrink it should bond better.
Muncher said:
Hmmm, got a bit of a problem with the slate patio.
Several of the slabs have lifted, especially the smaller ones at the front edge. I was aware that slate is sometimes difficult to stick so I did everything I could, following what Paving Expert said.
They were laid on a wet bed of 4:1 cement and sharp sand. The back of every slate was painted with slurry of SBR and cement as suggested. I am hoping this is only isolated and that the rest of the slabs will be held solid with an epoxy grout (not done yet). I can only think using a flexible tile adhesive to relay the problem ones onto the existing concrete bed may help?
Relay using expanding foam but make sure you weigh them down with a couple of blocks .Several of the slabs have lifted, especially the smaller ones at the front edge. I was aware that slate is sometimes difficult to stick so I did everything I could, following what Paving Expert said.
They were laid on a wet bed of 4:1 cement and sharp sand. The back of every slate was painted with slurry of SBR and cement as suggested. I am hoping this is only isolated and that the rest of the slabs will be held solid with an epoxy grout (not done yet). I can only think using a flexible tile adhesive to relay the problem ones onto the existing concrete bed may help?
uk66fastback said:
I had seen that as well but couldn't find 'garage' so like you chose 'showroom' and mine comes out as 14k, but for the full on effect it's 32k ... which is 10 panels! SO I might make it SIX,on mine, not FOUR. How long before they're in at yours?
My son does work at an electrical trade place (cef.co.uk) so I'm quids in as he gets me these at cost!
6 is perfect in a garage, if you're going to the bother I wouldn't just have 4. I've just removed 6 (non-LED) ones from a 5 x 4 space and they were bright, but you could tell when you weren't directly under one if that makes sense. My son does work at an electrical trade place (cef.co.uk) so I'm quids in as he gets me these at cost!
I've built mezzanine floors at both ends of my workshop and fitted new lights as a result, the 6 panels were in the bit in between suspended from the purlins. I've now got those 2x fluorescent energy saving bulb (CFL?) downlighters, 8 at each end and 12 in the middle section, 56w total output for each which is a smidge under 100k lumens in a 9.5m x 4.8m space. It's very bright, but nowhere near too bright, about perfect for working I'd say.
uk66fastback said:
Thanks Paul, I think it'll end up being six then if you think that will suffice. You should put up a pic in the garages thread ...
I've not really put many pics up in my renovation thread as my workshop was full of stuff people might want to nick, with nothing really stopping them. But that's all been sold and security is decent now so I was planning to add an update soon once I've finished my latest round of updates. It's progressed from spider-invested dust hole to clean and uncluttered and even has an interesting car in it now.As well as redoing the lights and adding the mezzanines I've re-enginered the roof trusses to remove a massive lump of wood so you can access the loft spaces from the side, which means no loft hatches and more storage space, which was why the light panels had to come down. I've got the second loft, which does have a hatch and ladder, to re-engineer to match and eventually I might run a beam between the two at ridge height to slide my winch along, it's currently fixed at one end. While doing that I figured a general tidy up was required, so I've cleared all the rusty nails from the wall, replumbed the sink in, added a handwash station and started Gumtreeing a load of accumulated crap to fund some new bits for my car.
I didn't know there was a Garages thread?
Muncher said:
Hmmm, got a bit of a problem with the slate patio.
Several of the slabs have lifted, especially the smaller ones at the front edge. I was aware that slate is sometimes difficult to stick so I did everything I could, following what Paving Expert said.
They were laid on a wet bed of 4:1 cement and sharp sand. The back of every slate was painted with slurry of SBR and cement as suggested. I am hoping this is only isolated and that the rest of the slabs will be held solid with an epoxy grout (not done yet). I can only think using a flexible tile adhesive to relay the problem ones onto the existing concrete bed may help?
It might be because you didnt epoxy grout them. I used a 4/1 mix and didnt use any SBR but grouted them with a mortor mix havent moved for 12 months. Hopefully its an easy fix for you!Several of the slabs have lifted, especially the smaller ones at the front edge. I was aware that slate is sometimes difficult to stick so I did everything I could, following what Paving Expert said.
They were laid on a wet bed of 4:1 cement and sharp sand. The back of every slate was painted with slurry of SBR and cement as suggested. I am hoping this is only isolated and that the rest of the slabs will be held solid with an epoxy grout (not done yet). I can only think using a flexible tile adhesive to relay the problem ones onto the existing concrete bed may help?
Muncher five years ago said:
I thought you guys might be interested to follow a little project I've taken on.
It's our first house and it needs a little work, to say the least.
It was purchased by the previous owner in 1964 and virtually no maintenance or building work was carried out during her ownership up until January.
We have a budget in mind, which I'm going to keep to myself for the moment, as no doubt many will say it can't be done or it's not enough, but our architect seems to think it's feasible.
Not interested in knowing any figures, but ... over or under? I think i can guess which. But hope I am surprised!It's our first house and it needs a little work, to say the least.
It was purchased by the previous owner in 1964 and virtually no maintenance or building work was carried out during her ownership up until January.
We have a budget in mind, which I'm going to keep to myself for the moment, as no doubt many will say it can't be done or it's not enough, but our architect seems to think it's feasible.
Over by about 40% but at those very, very early stages the budget wasn't hugely thorough and only provided for a very standard spec which we went way beyond.
Once the build got underway and my spreadsheet got sufficiently detailed at about 9 months in, we ended up about 12% over that number, which was again mainly due to specifying extras.
Once the build got underway and my spreadsheet got sufficiently detailed at about 9 months in, we ended up about 12% over that number, which was again mainly due to specifying extras.
Just looking back the initial budget (pre-purchase) was a little lower than I thought.
It assumed a £77k spend to produce an equity "profit" of £120k.
We actually spent £160k including the garage for an equity "profit" of £280k
So the original estimate was on the assumption of £1.55 "profit" per pound spent but we actually ended up with £1.75 profit per pound spent.
It assumed a £77k spend to produce an equity "profit" of £120k.
We actually spent £160k including the garage for an equity "profit" of £280k
So the original estimate was on the assumption of £1.55 "profit" per pound spent but we actually ended up with £1.75 profit per pound spent.
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