ABS Locks - Avocet - worth it?
Discussion
The EVVAs don't have a sacrifical section like some other cylinders do, but get them correctly sized and snapping shouldn't be an issue for any decent cylinder. It's difficult to be precise as the way these things are tested there are, or certainly were last time I bought locks, only a two grades (+ ungraded) for attack resistance so (as with many other standards) you can't see how far above the threshold top performers are.
Don't have a link to the 2008 standards, but suspect there's little change from the 2005 ones: http://www.dhfonline.org.uk/downloads/pub49.pdf
A quick google shows that Evva in key security class 6 and attack resistance class 2 (the highest unless another level has been added).
FWIW and AIUI, where the main problem with snapping is when people leave long bits of cylinders stuck out of the front of the door that a scrote can get a tool onto, which is why getting them correctly sized is important.
Don't have a link to the 2008 standards, but suspect there's little change from the 2005 ones: http://www.dhfonline.org.uk/downloads/pub49.pdf
A quick google shows that Evva in key security class 6 and attack resistance class 2 (the highest unless another level has been added).
FWIW and AIUI, where the main problem with snapping is when people leave long bits of cylinders stuck out of the front of the door that a scrote can get a tool onto, which is why getting them correctly sized is important.
LooneyTunes said:
FWIW and AIUI, where the main problem with snapping is when people leave long bits of cylinders stuck out of the front of the door that a scrote can get a tool onto, which is why getting them correctly sized is important.
Generally the handle will be removed prior to an attack, leaving plenty of cylinder to get a grip on, hence why a good solid handle is also important.Defcon5 said:
Generally the handle will be removed prior to an attack, leaving plenty of cylinder to get a grip on, hence why a good solid handle is also important.
That makes sense, especially if someone has been daft enough to just screw the handle on from the outside.Can also get security escutcheon to make things harder.
LooneyTunes said:
That makes sense, especially if someone has been daft enough to just screw the handle on from the outside.
Can also get security escutcheon to make things harder.
Doesn't matter where the screw is, normal ones are made of monkey metal and are just pulled off. I'm speaking from experience!Can also get security escutcheon to make things harder.
I'll be fitting some uprated handles/locks to my mates house soon, I'll video how easy it is to force entry to a standard setup if I remember.
My current setup on my rear doors is Hoppe solid machined handles, Avocet ABS V3 barrels, 4 x sash jammers and plastic laminate on the glass.
Currently pricing up some CCTV and some blinding floodlights - dont plan on letting someone steal anymore of my cars!
Fitted these through-out my house this weekend - good service on the multi-key and definitely feels higher quality than the various ones I pulled out. Particularly like that there is no way anyone is copying these outside of the dealers.
Slippy slope though, now I've got one key through out the house tempted to get the padlocks coded as well for the bikes.
Slippy slope though, now I've got one key through out the house tempted to get the padlocks coded as well for the bikes.
Sorry, been looking a Yale above the bog standard.
AS Platinum Series Euro Profile Cylinder
But shall I assume the ABS is still the mutts?
AS Platinum Series Euro Profile Cylinder
But shall I assume the ABS is still the mutts?
Defcon5 said:
Yes. I really can't recommend them enough.
I could get into your house in ten seconds without waking you up if you just have standard europrofiles!
But if you don't have "standard" europrofiles (£5 eBay specials) - i.e. you buy good (and correctly sized) ones then they can be very convenient.I could get into your house in ten seconds without waking you up if you just have standard europrofiles!
Easy to get keyed alike sets or master keyed systems, and quick to change if key get lost.
ETA: and key control too. I.e. if you lend a key to family / friend / cleaner, they won't be able to get it copied.
I had an ABS fitted - took it out and replaced with a Yale AS platinum
ABS started sticking and then jammed after 3 months had to call a locksmith out. He said getting lots of abs jamming due to magnet in key picking up small bits
I said you'll have a nightmare getting that out he says no dead easy stick the key in on the inside. He then snapped the outside off stuck a screwdriver in and turn the lock open!! Apparently ABS are not secure if you leave the key in on the inside - been going to bed and doing it for months
He also told me keys are not secure, you can go online and order them anywhere, if someone gets sight of your key code they can order a new key without you knowing!!
The Yale doesn't have a key code so you can only get another key if you have an original key - I now think that's safer
Also make sure it's AS platinum that's the one with 3 stars
ABS started sticking and then jammed after 3 months had to call a locksmith out. He said getting lots of abs jamming due to magnet in key picking up small bits
I said you'll have a nightmare getting that out he says no dead easy stick the key in on the inside. He then snapped the outside off stuck a screwdriver in and turn the lock open!! Apparently ABS are not secure if you leave the key in on the inside - been going to bed and doing it for months
He also told me keys are not secure, you can go online and order them anywhere, if someone gets sight of your key code they can order a new key without you knowing!!
The Yale doesn't have a key code so you can only get another key if you have an original key - I now think that's safer
Also make sure it's AS platinum that's the one with 3 stars
^^what Defcon said.
Hoppe seem to do many styles of handles but the ones i went with were honed from solid aluminium rather than having a hollow centre like most of them i found on ebay. This virtually eliminates lock snapping as you need to snap the handle first to get to the cylinder. They were Hoppe Tokyo handles i used. Great quality and highly recommended in conjunction with anti snap cylinders.
I removed an old upvc door a while back and decided to try out the lock snapping method like a criminal would, with very little noise and a pair of mole grips i was in in about 30 seconds. It was scary how vulnerable the door was.
Hoppe seem to do many styles of handles but the ones i went with were honed from solid aluminium rather than having a hollow centre like most of them i found on ebay. This virtually eliminates lock snapping as you need to snap the handle first to get to the cylinder. They were Hoppe Tokyo handles i used. Great quality and highly recommended in conjunction with anti snap cylinders.
I removed an old upvc door a while back and decided to try out the lock snapping method like a criminal would, with very little noise and a pair of mole grips i was in in about 30 seconds. It was scary how vulnerable the door was.
Edited by dazwalsh on Saturday 13th September 21:10
I was looking at buying the Avocet ABS euro profile cylinder lock for my front door around five years ago, however after some research I decided not to go for this lock due to the fact that if it is snapped then you can not enter your property,and would then have to call out a locksmith to gain access as the lock protects the cam when breaking so that a criminal or you can not enter..
I decided to go with the Mul t lock garrison break secure if you get the right size and measure it from the center of the retaining screw to flush with handle then it will protect you when it is snapped at the sacrificial break point, so when you come home drunk from a night on town and some little s
t as tried snapping your cylinder then you can still enter your home using your key and not needing to pay £250 to a locksmith... Since moving to our new home and having a solid composite front door with Euro Secure door handle http://www.euro-secure.com/handletests.asp We decided to fit the Evva EPS bump resistant anti snap cylinder http://shop.masterlockandsafe.com/cylinder-1/evva-... We now feel pretty secure and if we decide to upgrade then we will get serious and buy a Skydaz security door and fit the Abloy Protec 2 cylinder with a 7 or 8 lever lock and Evva ICS cylinder... Security is about layers and that means good doors without panels so get shot of your upvc doors and buy either a very hard wooden door and frame or buy a very good composite door RockDoors being the most secure http://www.rockdoor.com/ I would also fit a vibration devices to all my widows that you can run through a GSM alarm system, you want the alarm to go off while the criminal is still outside. I would also use security film over the windows as this would slow them down, it would also be advisable to buy an 8 channel cctv system you can pick them up these days for £150 pound these systems can be linked to your mobile smart phone so when your alarm goes off it will sent a txt message to your phone and then go to a site and see who is outside your home also use plenty of security lights the brighter the better you can find LED security lights on ebay
I decided to go with the Mul t lock garrison break secure if you get the right size and measure it from the center of the retaining screw to flush with handle then it will protect you when it is snapped at the sacrificial break point, so when you come home drunk from a night on town and some little s
t as tried snapping your cylinder then you can still enter your home using your key and not needing to pay £250 to a locksmith... Since moving to our new home and having a solid composite front door with Euro Secure door handle http://www.euro-secure.com/handletests.asp We decided to fit the Evva EPS bump resistant anti snap cylinder http://shop.masterlockandsafe.com/cylinder-1/evva-... We now feel pretty secure and if we decide to upgrade then we will get serious and buy a Skydaz security door and fit the Abloy Protec 2 cylinder with a 7 or 8 lever lock and Evva ICS cylinder... Security is about layers and that means good doors without panels so get shot of your upvc doors and buy either a very hard wooden door and frame or buy a very good composite door RockDoors being the most secure http://www.rockdoor.com/ I would also fit a vibration devices to all my widows that you can run through a GSM alarm system, you want the alarm to go off while the criminal is still outside. I would also use security film over the windows as this would slow them down, it would also be advisable to buy an 8 channel cctv system you can pick them up these days for £150 pound these systems can be linked to your mobile smart phone so when your alarm goes off it will sent a txt message to your phone and then go to a site and see who is outside your home also use plenty of security lights the brighter the better you can find LED security lights on ebay First thing I did when we recently had aluminium bifold doors fitted was to change the locks to ABS Avocet. I didn't particularly go for these believing they we're the absolute best, I just wanted to get rid of the factory locks incase the installers/staff had kept a key and replace them with something better.
LeadFarmer said:
First thing I did when we recently had aluminium bifold doors fitted was to change the locks to ABS Avocet. I didn't particularly go for these believing they we're the absolute best, I just wanted to get rid of the factory locks incase the installers/staff had kept a key and replace them with something better.
Guys looking at upgrading to ABS. If your doors locked and key is in the lock internally, can you unlock door from outside with second key?
I believe a single type barrel (key outside, thumb lock inside) does away with this.
I only ask because if I get home early and the wife is shaggin the bin man, I can't get in!!
Cheers. Milkman.
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