ABS Locks - Avocet - worth it?

[CoolHands]

CoolHands said:

I think the reality is any anti-snap lock will be enough to defeat your average tealeaf scrote. Considering probably 98% of the population only have the cheap locks that come with their patio door, the chances of dumbo being able to bump your lock is tiny. Bare in mind they might simply smash the actual double-glazed pane and walk right through. Which is what they did to my next-door neighbour.

[SVS]

I imagine CoolHands is right, as per this locksmith blog. So the Yale Superior should be fine with 2* handles.

Craikeybaby said:

With the ABS Avocet you need to be careful about leaving keys in the lock, as with a key in the lock, you cannot use a key from the other side of the door.

What's more, Avocet's anti-snap doesn't work with a key left inside the lock. (If you leave a key in, I believe its locking cam doesn't function.)

skahigh said:

Guys, what is the consensus opinion on thumb vs key turn for the interior of a main door lock?

I recommend double-checking your house insurance, as some insurers won't accept thumbturns.

[Mr71c]

dazwalsh said:

I know they went through the glass, but if you could see how quick (and quietly) a standard euro barrel can be compromised you will be getting the new locks.

Brick through the window seems to be a rising trend actually, and not much you can do about that really, apart from making your garden a right pig to get into, and some decent CCTV to try and catch these scumbags

Fit a security film on the inside of the glass will help slow them down using trembler device alarm sensors will detect the vibrations of the brick hitting the glass and set of the alarm while the burglar is still outside of the house cctv cameras help also but if they are wearing hoodies or balaclavas then you aint going to see much

[ndg]

Just to keep this with other lock related info.

Could anyone recommend me some replacement euro cylinders please? I'm hoping not to spend a small fortune on this if possible, 1* rating would still make us the most secure house on the road!

Requirements are below:
3 double sided cylinders
3 single sided cylinders
1* level of security
Anti snap/Anti bump on the double sided cylinders
All six keyed alike
Key with no magnet
No plastic body to the key
The option of a keyed alike padlock would be nice, but by no means essential

I would like a key that doesn't have a magnet, as I work with metal a lot and I can see the lock getting buggered up with stuff migrating from my pocket. Prefer a key with a flat metal ring section to keep pocket bulk down.

Thanks!

[Deep]

Hi

I'm looking to replace the euro cylinders on four external doors. At the moment they have keyed entry on both sides and to be honest I don't see why you'd need a keyed entry externally for things like patio doors.

Does doing away with external key improve security?

Cheers

[dazwalsh]

Deep said:

Hi

I'm looking to replace the euro cylinders on four external doors. At the moment they have keyed entry on both sides and to be honest I don't see why you'd need a keyed entry externally for things like patio doors.

Does doing away with external key improve security?

It no doubt does, but you will have holes where the lock protuded from on the outside of the door now, so bigger problem would be how to tidy that up.

You never know when you might need external access, so a decent eyro cylinder combined with PAS124 handles (HOPPE get my vote) should see the door as secure as it can be.



Cheers

[Rosscow]

ndg said:

Just to keep this with other lock related info.

Could anyone recommend me some replacement euro cylinders please? I'm hoping not to spend a small fortune on this if possible, 1* rating would still make us the most secure house on the road!

Requirements are below:
3 double sided cylinders
3 single sided cylinders
1* level of security
Anti snap/Anti bump on the double sided cylinders
All six keyed alike
Key with no magnet
No plastic body to the key
The option of a keyed alike padlock would be nice, but by no means essential

I would like a key that doesn't have a magnet, as I work with metal a lot and I can see the lock getting buggered up with stuff migrating from my pocket. Prefer a key with a flat metal ring section to keep pocket bulk down.

Thanks!

I know you only specc'd 1*, but Ultion will fulfill all of your requirements including the padlock.

At a guess around £300 for everything (consumer prices).

[Mr71c]

dazwalsh said:

Try this link if still looking for a solution to your patio door locks... https://www.locksonline.co.uk/LocksOnline-EPS-Blin...

[CoolHands]

Just watching '999 what's your emergency' Ch4 that I recorded.

So far 3 burglaries they've shown have been bashed in windows. Plant pot straight through the patio door glass, s walk straight in. So locks are useless. Not sure what to do about my wife's patio doors in that regard. I might look again at safety film but I don't really know if it stops them, I would presume not.

Edit, all 4 burglaries now. Same M.O. Locks are irrelevant.

Edited by CoolHands on Monday 4th September 23:33

[thebraketester]

Laminated glass would solve that I imagine

[hyphen]

thebraketester said:

Laminated glass would solve that I imagine

In conjunction with an alarm to go off when the glass is hit to stop them keeping at it. Also those internal folding metal shutters/external metal shutters.

[mikeyscott]

About to change my locks and was going to go Yale 3 star platinum, but steering towards ABS.

Only two locks, so budget isn’t an issue.

[andy43]

Well, our Avocet cylinders and PAS24 handles are still performing well... then I tried to get into the house last night and click, nothing - key was just spinning the cylinder and the door was staying locked.
Gearbox had failed inside the upvc door.
If I hadn't fitted these clever cylinders I could have snapped the cylinder off and opened the door fairly easily from looking on youtube. Instead I had to remove the handles, drill out the casing to the gearbox in various places and fiddle about for ages to get the remaining bits of mechanism to slide back the multipoint lock. A little cast lever-type bit had sheared off inside the door mechanism meaning the cylinder wasn't doing anything as it span around. A good half hour of swearing - and if I'd been working from the outside with the handle still in place I think it would have been completely impossible, short of smashing the door to bits.
These cylinders and handles work!!
Time for a composite door upgrade...

[mickmcpaddy]

I got 3 keyed alike euro cylinder locks from here, Yale Superior. Cost was £80 delivered.

http://www.lockandkey.co.uk/products/Yale-Superior...

However the key is about 3ft long.

[Birdster]

Just moved into a new home and want to change the front door locks ASAP, looking at the Avocet
Ordering from here: https://www.barnsleylock.co.uk/avocet-abs-mk3-doub...

Is it worth changing the handles? Removing the cylinder was easy enough, but not sure how easy it is to change the handles. Will order the locks today and hopefully be here early next week.


The cylinder measured internal 50mm, 45mm external, but as you can see the internal protrudes a little bit and the external a little bit also. Am I best sticking to the same size or take the internal down to 45mm?

These were the handles I was thinking of changing to or is that overkill with the locks?

https://www.screwfix.com/p/mila-type-b-high-securi...

Thanks in advance.

[Fastpedeller]

Ideally the external should be flush with the hole in the handle plate (so it's difficult to grab) or even 1-2mm in. The internal isn't really an issue (unless appearance)

[andy43]

Birdster said:

The cylinder measured internal 50mm, 45mm external, but as you can see the internal protrudes a little bit and the external a little bit also. Am I best sticking to the same size or take the internal down to 45mm?

These were the handles I was thinking of changing to or is that overkill with the locks?

https://www.screwfix.com/p/mila-type-b-high-securi...

If you look close at the Mila handles, they have what's basically a protective slotted washer over the external keyhole - so you need a good 5mm less clearance on the cylinder for it to fit behind the handle. Equally, too short a cylinder and the key won't get all the way into the cyilnder.
I'd check internal dimensions of the handle with the manufacturer before ordering cylinders or get the handle first, and trial fit.

[Birdster]

Thank you for the replies. Really helpful, but looking for something as secure, but with the emergency/anti barricade functionality if something as good exists.

[SkinnyPete]

thebraketester said:

Laminated glass would solve that I imagine

I would like to think so but at the same time I've never really seen how difficult it is to smash laminated glass sufficient enough for you to gain access, then I found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_CiLZY-HGw

Doesn't inspire too much confidence but it may be enough to deter smash and grabs, I hope so anyway because all my downstairs windows and doors are laminated.

[SVS]

Birdster said:

but looking for something as secure, but with the emergency/anti barricade functionality if something as good exists.

The Abus E90 euro cylinder has an integral key-override, i.e. you can open the lock even if someone’s locked it with the key left inside. Is that what you need?

The Abus E90 is 3-star anti-snap certified. Amazon tends to have the best prices.