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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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Hi I've just moved out from a rented property, which had a deposit protected by the govt scheme. During the tenancy, we had quarterly inspections and no issues were ever raised. Once we'd left though, the estate agent has contacted us telling us that they want to replace the (very old - poss 20yrs) carpets in the whole property at our expense from the deposit. They do need replaced, but just through wear and tear/old age; we didn't do any damage in the couple of years we were there. We responded by e-mail to this effect. Still no deposit and it's been a few weeks.
Two questions please; 1. Is there any action I can take to make them repay me? 2. If it was a joint tenancy, can they send a cheque to just one of us?
Thanks.
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Aaron ADI
189 posts
16 months
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Did you have an inventory done on check in?
Did you have an inventory done on check out?
What do they say?
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ProSc2008
185 posts
106 months
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Looks like you're within your rights to raise a dispute with the deposit protection agency over this: http://www.depositprotection.com/documents/a-guide...If the tenant is unhappy with the amount the landlord wishes to deduct from the deposit or the landlord/agent refuses to engage in the deposit return process, the tenant is entitled to raise their dispute with the relevant tenancy deposit protection scheme. They will need to check which scheme protects their deposit. With regards to charging you the full price to replace a 20 year old carpet, have a read of this: http://www.propertyhawk.co.uk/index.php?page=magaz...Personally, I would say that a 20 years is as as long (longer!!) as you'd expect a carpet to last in a rented property and so would dispute any deduction made from my deposit against it.
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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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Aaron ADI said: Did you have an inventory done on check in?
Did you have an inventory done on check out?
What do they say? They didn't give us an inventory on check in, and they 'inspected' the house once we'd handed the keys back and left. The email they sent says some BS about 'carpet moth' but we never saw any moths - the carpet was just threadbare in high wear areas.
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Hythan
189 posts
16 months
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Carthage said: They didn't give us an inventory on check in, and they 'inspected' the house once we'd handed the keys back and left. The email they sent says some BS about 'carpet moth' but we never saw any moths - the carpet was just threadbare in high wear areas. It will be much harder to argue your case without having the inventory. You should always make sure you cover your own arse by having one and checking through/amending yourself... I can only agree with what has been said above and that is to register a dispute. Good luck with it.
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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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ProSc2008 said: Looks like you're within your rights to raise a dispute with the deposit protection agency over this: http://www.depositprotection.com/documents/a-guide...If the tenant is unhappy with the amount the landlord wishes to deduct from the deposit or the landlord/agent refuses to engage in the deposit return process, the tenant is entitled to raise their dispute with the relevant tenancy deposit protection scheme. They will need to check which scheme protects their deposit. With regards to charging you the full price to replace a 20 year old carpet, have a read of this: http://www.propertyhawk.co.uk/index.php?page=magaz...Personally, I would say that a 20 years is as as long (longer!!) as you'd expect a carpet to last in a rented property and so would dispute any deduction made from my deposit against it. That's really helpful - thanks - gives me ammunition if they come back to me. Do you know if my ex can cash all the deposit without my permission if they've sent him a cheque? We were trying to sort things amicably but...
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eldar
6,996 posts
65 months
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Hythan said: It will be much harder to argue your case without having the inventory. You should always make sure you cover your own arse by having one and checking through/amending yourself...
I can only agree with what has been said above and that is to register a dispute.
Good luck with it. Also be harder for the landlord to demonstrate the condition of the carpets before and after the tenancy. Normal wear and tear is not deductible from the deposit. Another vote for registering a dispute..
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Hythan
189 posts
16 months
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eldar said: Also be harder for the landlord to demonstrate the condition of the carpets before and after the tenancy. Normal wear and tear is not deductible from the deposit.
Another vote for registering a dispute.. Quite right, it does work both ways...
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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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Thanks for all the advice. 
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Sir Bagalot
1,916 posts
50 months
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Hythan said: Carthage said: They didn't give us an inventory on check in, and they 'inspected' the house once we'd handed the keys back and left. The email they sent says some BS about 'carpet moth' but we never saw any moths - the carpet was just threadbare in high wear areas. It will be much harder to argue your case without having the inventory. You should always make sure you cover your own arse by having one and checking through/amending yourself... I can only agree with what has been said above and that is to register a dispute. Good luck with it. Harder only for the landlord. As others have said register a complaint with the deposit scheme you're in
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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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Update - the estate agents have now e-mailed me telling me they are keeping all the deposit (£1300ish) for completely ficitious reasons (for example £85 for 'disposing of rubbish' when the bins were emptied the day we handed the keys back and in fact I've paid the garden refuse charge for the year ahead).
They are also 'reserving the right to add administration charges as they see fit at £35 per hour' which doesn't seem entirely legit to me.
I'm going to open a TDS dispute - but is there anywhere you can recommend for advice/legal info?
Thanks.
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surveyor
4,549 posts
53 months
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Carthage said: Update - the estate agents have now e-mailed me telling me they are keeping all the deposit (£1300ish) for completely ficitious reasons (for example £85 for 'disposing of rubbish' when the bins were emptied the day we handed the keys back and in fact I've paid the garden refuse charge for the year ahead).
They are also 'reserving the right to add administration charges as they see fit at £35 per hour' which doesn't seem entirely legit to me.
I'm going to open a TDS dispute - but is there anywhere you can recommend for advice/legal info?
Thanks. Speak to the TDS. They are usually quite helpful. Lack of inventory almost always means a loss for the landlord as he can't prove the loss.
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jke11y
1,569 posts
106 months
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We recently moved out of a flat and the service provided by https://www.depositprotection.com/ was utterly and completely useless. A system where you only get to speak to morons on the phone, a system that emails you about some things and not others, and blatant lies when they get it wrong (telling us they had emailed about deadlines when they had not). Our landlord did not know what she was doing (that applied to every aspect of our 18 month tenancy) yet still managed to make off with £400 of our money on spurious grounds. Be careful!
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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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jke11y said: We recently moved out of a flat and the service provided by https://www.depositprotection.com/ was utterly and completely useless. A system where you only get to speak to morons on the phone, a system that emails you about some things and not others, and blatant lies when they get it wrong (telling us they had emailed about deadlines when they had not). Our landlord did not know what she was doing (that applied to every aspect of our 18 month tenancy) yet still managed to make off with £400 of our money on spurious grounds. Be careful! Oh God! I have my doubts about them, but at least I'm going to make the estate agents work if they want to take any cash from me.
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BoRED S2upid
9,456 posts
109 months
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Citizens advice ASAP it isn't unusual for landlords to try it on and get you to pay for cleaning etc... It is unusual for them to try and keep the full deposit. Without an inventory it is your word against them. You can go to court, threaten to go to court or offer to pay a small fee for cleaning no more than 100 I would say. The estate agent sounds like a crook check your tenancy agreement for their charges they should charge the landlord not you. Your agreement is with the landlord the landlord has an agreement with the estate agent.
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Wings
3,977 posts
84 months
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OP, did the letting agents inform you of what TDS scheme your Deposit was protected with, and have you contacted them for advice etc.
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JustinP1
10,276 posts
99 months
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Wings said: OP, did the letting agents inform you of what TDS scheme your Deposit was protected with, and have you contacted them for advice etc. This. This is the point of having the deposit protection system in place. Actually, this information should have been provided to you at the start of the tenancy. Failing that, you have the small claims court. Remember, this is unlikely to be the estate agent's fault. They are just an agent of the landlord. The estate agent won't make any money out of this, but they are indebted to fulfil the landlords wishes - which is why they don't want to be embroiled with a dispute. File a dispute, and see what happens. Replacing 20 year old carpet without evidence or an inventory to prove damage is not going to stand the landlord in good stead. Failing that, you have the small claims procedure at court. Instructing the estate agent to tell you that your deposit is being kept is easy for the landlord to do, but when the reality that they will have to spend a day coming to court, see you face to face and see a Judge eye to eye, it becomes more difficult to be underhand.
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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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They did give me a copy of the info regarding the TDS, and we are raising a dispute with them. I have also tried to get some free legal advice - the lawyer says I should refute all the spurious claims, with reasons, and also ask them for evidence. The estate agents claim we returned a signed inventory, but neither the ex nor I have signed anything, so I'm going to ask to see a copy. I'm also going to ask for the invoices for all the fictitious work that the estate agent is billing us for. When we moved in, we were warned by the previous (very nice) tenants that the estate agent was dishonest; he had tried to make them liable for rent long after his notice expired because they couldn't find a new tenant. By then we'd moved in though. It makes you want to trash a house when you leave it, doesn't it (not that I would ever do so)? 
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The Char
291 posts
54 months
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Carthage
Original Poster
2,975 posts
13 months
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Thanks, The Char - it's encouraging that you got your full deposit back. I wouldn't mind paying for anything we had damaged - but we were such careful tenants. In the past,
I've never had anything taken off deposits at all, so for this estate agent to try to take all of it (and he is now suggesting we might like to recarpet the whole house at a cost of £2600) is taking the piss.
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