New Build Thread - Self Build in Shropshire

[worsy]

GoneBananas said:

I really like your floor tiles.

Thanks. Once we saw them we couldn't find anything we liked more. They were £59 a sq metre but we managed a huge discount which made them affordable.

[anonymous-user]

Worsy - how many Cat 6 cables do you have seeing as you need 2 patch panels and 2 switches?

[worsy]

garyhun said:

Worsy - how many Cat 6 cables do you have seeing as you need 2 patch panels and 2 switches?

Gary, each switch is 24 port. It is more cost effective than one 48 port switch. i have:

Study 8
Under Stairs 1
Store 2
Kitchen 2
TV Room 4
Lounge 3
Bed 1-4 2 each - 8

28

Directly Connected

Router 1
Loop Switch to Switch 2
Music Server 1

Total 32

[anonymous-user]

worsy said:

garyhun said:

Worsy - how many Cat 6 cables do you have seeing as you need 2 patch panels and 2 switches?

Gary, each switch is 24 port. It is more cost effective than one 48 port switch. i have:

Study 8
Under Stairs 1
Store 2
Kitchen 2
TV Room 4
Lounge 3
Bed 1-4 2 each - 8

28

Directly Connected

Router 1
Loop Switch to Switch 2
Music Server 1

Total 32

Thanks.

It does add up doesn't it? I was thinking I'd be fine with 24 but looking at that I think I'm going to be close to being in the same boat!

[worsy]

garyhun said:

worsy said:

garyhun said:

Worsy - how many Cat 6 cables do you have seeing as you need 2 patch panels and 2 switches?

Gary, each switch is 24 port. It is more cost effective than one 48 port switch. i have:

Study 8
Under Stairs 1
Store 2
Kitchen 2
TV Room 4
Lounge 3
Bed 1-4 2 each - 8

28

Directly Connected

Router 1
Loop Switch to Switch 2
Music Server 1

Total 32

Thanks.

It does add up doesn't it? I was thinking I'd be fine with 24 but looking at that I think I'm going to be close to being in the same boat!

It does! on top of this I run two Wireless SSID from the router plus a seperate Wireless AP at the other end of the house. The sitting room has TV, DVD, XBox, Sky box and although I have four points they are configured for two seperate locations. I'm already therefore using local 4 port switches

[RedLeicester]

They tot up pretty quickly. I put in a 48-way patress and switch in Node 0 and it's long since full with a second 24/24 going in alongside. Tedious as hell to punch down too. Fibre uplink to Node 1 was lovely and plug and play though, that was nice.

[Legend83]

RedLeicester said:

They tot up pretty quickly. I put in a 48-way patress and switch in Node 0 and it's long since full with a second 24/24 going in alongside. Tedious as hell to punch down too. Fibre uplink to Node 1 was lovely and plug and play though, that was nice.

What is this language you speak?

[B17NNS]

Legend83 said:

What is this language you speak?

[anonymous-user]

Legend83 said:

What is this language you speak?

I'm so glad you asked that - I thought I'd entered another dimension

[VEX]

I very rarely activate all the data ports in the houses I install. The chances of them all being used at once is rare and if you do you termination and patch panel leads well it is very easy to plug and play.

I have also just started using a 24 port managed PoE switch which is very cost effective and gives plenty of flexibility even has twin fibre ports on it for future expansion.

V.

[anonymous-user]

I assume with a managed switch you can assign live connections through software rather than having to move jump leads?

Does that mean there is also control of the patch panel itself? I'm trying to work out how a managed 24 port switch can manage 30 connections without manual input to the patch leads - unless I'm not reading your post right VEX.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 22 February 07:02

[worsy]

garyhun said:

I assume with a managed switch you can assign live connections through software rather than having to move jump leads?

Does that mean there is also control of the patch panel itself? I'm trying to work out how a managed 24 port switch can manage 30 connections without manual input to the patch leads - unless I'm not reading your post right VEX.

Edited by garyhun on Saturday 22 February 07:02

Vex is suggesting you terminate the patch panel but not connect to the switch. A managed switch allows you, amongst other things to control bandwidth.

Edited to say, if you are not technical a non managed switch will suit you better. Cheaper too,

[anonymous-user]

worsy said:

Vex is suggesting you terminate the patch panel but not connect to the switch. A managed switch allows you, amongst other things to control bandwidth.

Edited to say, if you are not technical a non managed switch will suit you better. Cheaper too,

Best I stay away then . I assumed that every patch had to go to the switch if you wanted that to share the Routers Internet connection.

[worsy]

garyhun said:

worsy said:

Vex is suggesting you terminate the patch panel but not connect to the switch. A managed switch allows you, amongst other things to control bandwidth.

Edited to say, if you are not technical a non managed switch will suit you better. Cheaper too,

Best I stay away then . I assumed that every patch had to go to the switch if you wanted that to share the Routers Internet connection.

You are correct, except that it could go directly to a router. So if you have a 24 port switch plus the router has 4, you have to connect the switch to the router giving you 23 ports + 3 on the router.

[mikeday1991]

Cracking thread, only just read this!
What are you using for your music? Sonos or something wired?

I'm looking for a wired solution but don't know where to start! (Without a second mortgage!)

[worsy]

mikeday1991 said:

Cracking thread, only just read this!
What are you using for your music? Sonos or something wired?

I'm looking for a wired solution but don't know where to start! (Without a second mortgage!)

Mike, I have hooked up a Yamaha A2010 AV Amp driving two zones. As it supports Airplay I can run my ITunes from phone, Ipad and PC through the two zones (Lounge and Kitchen). I then have a Synology server which has an apple app (DS Audio) that can do the same. All can be controlled wirelessly. Obviously the speakers are hard wired through the joists back to the Amp.

[anonymous-user]

worsy said:

You are correct, except that it could go directly to a router. So if you have a 24 port switch plus the router has 4, you have to connect the switch to the router giving you 23 ports + 3 on the router.

I'm not so stoopid after all

[worsy]

worsy said:

RJD223 said:

Would you mind spilling the beans on the approximate costs for the build and land? Would love to sell up and do something similar to what you've done there!

Sure.

Land 190k
Legal fees, mortgage money, building regs, insurances, NHBC, Broker fee, SAP Energy Calcs and Structural fees 15k
Fixed cost for site clearance and landscaping to include 300 sq metres of block paving 14k
In the end we had an additional 110 sqm of block paving which was part subsidised by the orginal quote for paved patio areas - extra 3k

Foundations 22.5
Additional concrete 1k
Wall Plate 56k
Watertight 27.5k
First fix 29.5k
Final fix 47k

Extras 18k
Walls, additional concrete for garage, Gate pillars, upgraded staircase
less stuff I paid for and deducted from stage payments**

• included 10k for the windows and doors we had

Additional costs
Electricity connection- 9k
Stuff I paid for (Tiles, Bathrooms, Heating thermostats, ancillaries) 11k
Carpets 2k
Gates and automation 2k
Cinema screen, Projector lift, Speakers 4k
Kitchen/Utility incl all appliances 22k (Neff)

Less a projected VAT refund of 2.6k
Plus a guess at second fix electrics of 3 5k (bill to arrive yet)

Extras = Landscaping came to 2k

So roughly £470£480k but £455£465k if you exclude legal fees.

Surprises - The 9k for Electricity connection was about 1000% of what we budgeted.
First fix electrics extras was roughly the builder's budget for 1st and 2nd fix. But I have Cat6 to all rooms, internet linked heating, Party music system.
Labour and concrete for the garage raft foundations (as NHBC insisted) was an additional 6k.
How a 100 here and there adds up very quickly.

Tips -
Contingency, plenty of it. We were quoted £410k, planned for 440k but costed for £500k
Don't cut corners.
Under floor heating is lovely.
When the wife wants 3 ovens, think of the cinema screen and agree.
Every trade got a cup of tea/coffee at beginning of day and never had a communication breakdown.
Muck in when you can, it's great fun.

So we have.....
4 bed, 4 bath 213 sq metres
Double detached garage 47sq metres

Value - Valuer guessed at 400 excluding the garage initially. When he returned he reckoned that added at least 40k but couldn't give me a figure other than it was sufficient for the lending criteria. I'd hazard in the current market we'll not have lost anything, but unlikely to make money if selling fees taken into account.

On the upside. Got a fantastic house, exactly as we wanted it. Actually I really love it.

Had final bills in so updated costs for anyone embarking on their own build.

Edited by worsy on Saturday 22 February 14:33

[Hackunit]

Hi, well done on the project. I'm considering getting Residence 9 windows and have had one report of some problems in manufacturing quality. I can't find any further information online about this, so may be a one-off - would be great if you could let me know what you think of them? Installation, quality etc? Thanks for any info.

[RedLeicester]

Legend83 said:

RedLeicester said:

They tot up pretty quickly. I put in a 48-way patress and switch in Node 0 and it's long since full with a second 24/24 going in alongside. Tedious as hell to punch down too. Fibre uplink to Node 1 was lovely and plug and play though, that was nice.

What is this language you speak?

Note to self: must get out more.