Best Wifi enabled thermostat

[gibbon]

Does the Tado allow for two heating zones?

I currently have two thermostats, one for the ground floor operating underfloor heating, and one for the top two floors operating the central heating / radiators.

[ShortShift811]

DaiBakes said:

You can either turn it down or turn it to away manually for now. The Nest will take around 7 days to 'learn' when you are away. After that time it will start going in to Auto-Away when you leave (and progressively get better as time goes on) Auto-Away can also be made more accurate by installing a Nest Protect, as it covers a wider area for the sensors.

If you open the Nest app on your phone, go to the Thermostat page then the menu button in the top right and select 'Thermostat Settings', there will be an option for 'Nest Sense'. Here you can see how the learning process is doing, Auto-Away will likely say 'On - Learning'. Once it's confident that it can detect when you are away it will change to 'On - Ready' - It is this that usually takes a week from installation.

Cheers. Yep, it's been doing exactly that. The learning seems pretty good but obviously needs data over a longer timescale to become consistent. After our installer whacked the heating up to 32degC on the afternoon of putting it in place, Nest decided we wanted 32deg every weekday afternoon at 3pm. I'll just keep an eye on the schedule for now but pretty pleased thus far.

[maniac886]

I have just gone for the Tado thermostat with the extension kit. It was between Tado and Nest, the thing that swung it for me is I don't think the Nest would be able to learn our schedules as we have regularly changing working patterns so I think I think the Nest would struggle on the learning front. Tado's customer service was very good as well when I rang them to ask a few questions, even gave me 10% off no questions asked.

[teabelly]

M7RT V said:

I think the trouble with Tado's presence detection is that it's never actually going to know when you're on your way home. I often find the moment I walk in the house it turns on the heating too.

If you want it to turn on before it has to be in comfort mode. It does do it. It's often not early enough though. Quite often it will only turn on 10 minutes before I get home which isn't usually enough. The automatically set away temperature seems to assume you don't mind being freezing for an hour or more when you get home, which is poor. I always set the home temperature high when I go out so that the Away temperature is automatically a lot higher and more reasonable. So with the 10 minute advance I'd generally be warm enough within 20 minutes of getting home and it would be up to full temperature within another 20 minutes. Leaving Tado to choose it's own away temperature, even on comfort mode, the house would be cold for around an hour and it would feel unpleasantly cold to return to. It knows how long it takes to heat up so there is no reason it would pick such a stupid temperature.

The Away bit generally works a lot better.

[M7RT V]

I guess my only other 'beef' as it were with Tado, is that there is no intelligence with the sleep mode. Quite often I find it heating the house up to 20 for example, when in a few more mins, it's going to have to turn it back off because it'll be changing to sleep mode and dropping the temp again. A slight tapering toward the sleep time would be ideal and probably save a little more cash.

[scottri]

M7RT V said:

I think the trouble with Tado's presence detection is that it's never actually going to know when you're on your way home. I often find the moment I walk in the house it turns on the heating too.

Contact the support team they can do something to fix that. Mine was the same as yours before I contacted them.

[stuart313]

I may get a NEST, they are £180 at screwfix. What I don't want though is any of this learning crap. All I want is for it to come on at a set time and go off at a set time. I also want to be able to switch it on or off from my phone if I'm away (or in bed) so if I have it set to come on a 5PM thats when it comes on, I don't want it to decide that its a bit colder so it should come on at 4.30 instead.

Is this possible, will it be told what to do or will it think it always knows best.

[mondeoman]

I just splurged on the honeywell kit. Took an afternoon to install it myself and I love the amount of control I have.

Came home early yesterday, and on the way home I turned the office htg on, so it would be ready for me. Then went to bed early, so turned the lounge off an hour early. All from my phone.

Hopefully they'll add some extra features over time - like operating logs, valve demand, boiler on/off logs, profiles for winter/spring/summer.

Don't know if its going to save a massive amount, but as the bills were running at almost £200 a month, anything has to be worth it.

[moles]

reckon you'll save at least £20-30 a month mondeoman

[gaz1234]

So which can replace my potterton thermostat, controlling hw ch and know where I am, turn on automatically, and allow me to remotely control settings?

[Mattt]

gaz1234 said:

So which can replace my potterton thermostat, controlling hw ch and know where I am, turn on automatically, and allow me to remotely control settings?

All of them in theory (apart from Hive I think).

[Mattt]

M7RT V said:

I guess my only other 'beef' as it were with Tado, is that there is no intelligence with the sleep mode. Quite often I find it heating the house up to 20 for example, when in a few more mins, it's going to have to turn it back off because it'll be changing to sleep mode and dropping the temp again. A slight tapering toward the sleep time would be ideal and probably save a little more cash.

Why not set sleep time slightly earlier then?

[M7RT V]

That's what I did in the end, but it's not really my sleep time if I'm still up and go to bed an hour later

[bad company]

Mattt said:

gaz1234 said:

So which can replace my potterton thermostat, controlling hw ch and know where I am, turn on automatically, and allow me to remotely control settings?

All of them in theory (apart from Hive I think).

Hive does all that. Just one zone tho.

[gaz1234]

So the nest is available in uk now and works well?

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gaz1234 said:

So the nest is available in uk now and works well?

Working very well for us, which is more than I can say for our heap of a boiler.

[Pheo]

M7RT V said:

That's what I did in the end, but it's not really my sleep time if I'm still up and go to bed an hour later

Multiple Time Zone planning should sort this out. Coming in a couple of weeks. I agree though. Personally I'd like it if I could blip the heating 20 mins before I goto bed to cause the air temp to spike a little in the bedrooms.

Can't have everything.

[babelfish]

I'm looking to install a smart thermostat on my combi boiler in my new build 3 bed semi some time soon.

I think I've got it down to Nest or Tado but undecided.

We have completely irregular patterns of been at home. I work from home, then spends weeks months away. Weekends can be at home or away for us.

So, I think Nest won't be the one for us as it won't learn our pattern well enough?

Does the Tado location based detection work well?

Thanks

BF

[maniac886]

babelfish said:

I'm looking to install a smart thermostat on my combi boiler in my new build 3 bed semi some time soon.

I think I've got it down to Nest or Tado but undecided.

We have completely irregular patterns of been at home. I work from home, then spends weeks months away. Weekends can be at home or away for us.

So, I think Nest won't be the one for us as it won't learn our pattern well enough?

Does the Tado location based detection work well?

Thanks

BF

I was in the same position as you, choosing between both the Nest and Tado. We also have irregular work patterns in the household which change on a weekly basis so I think the nest learning feature would not work for us so we have just ordered the Tado. Can't answer if it works well as I have only just ordered but was told they can adjust the location sensitivity if it's not coming on at the required distance.

[babelfish]

maniac886 said:

babelfish said:

I'm looking to install a smart thermostat on my combi boiler in my new build 3 bed semi some time soon.

I think I've got it down to Nest or Tado but undecided.

We have completely irregular patterns of been at home. I work from home, then spends weeks months away. Weekends can be at home or away for us.

So, I think Nest won't be the one for us as it won't learn our pattern well enough?

Does the Tado location based detection work well?

Thanks

BF

I was in the same position as you, choosing between both the Nest and Tado. We also have irregular work patterns in the household which change on a weekly basis so I think the nest learning feature would not work for us so we have just ordered the Tado. Can't answer if it works well as I have only just ordered but was told they can adjust the location sensitivity if it's not coming on at the required distance.

Seems your thinking is the same as mine :-)

Anyone with any experience?

Thanks

BF