Weed Killer- the daddy?
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Very possibly if its not a typo, wouldn't be a good idea throwing that on weeds 
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I only realised they'd banned sodium chlorate about a year after they'd done it.
The available weed killers are all pants.
Fortunately I found an old 1 kilo bag of sodium chlorate in my garden shed at the end of last summer.
It's treated like gold dust and only used sparingly on 'problem' plants.
But by jove it's good stuff!
I've still got about 3/4 of it left.
The available weed killers are all pants.
Fortunately I found an old 1 kilo bag of sodium chlorate in my garden shed at the end of last summer.
It's treated like gold dust and only used sparingly on 'problem' plants.
But by jove it's good stuff!
I've still got about 3/4 of it left.
hora said:
jontysafe said:
HOW MUCH?!It's a professional product not cleared for domestic use and you couldn't legally buy it anyway.
snapdragon69 said:
Monsanto lobbied the EU (and US EPA) to ban all other weedkillers but theirs.
They did this by mandating all weedkillers need expensive EU testing and approval to be allowed to be sold. As all the good old and cheap weedkillers such as Sodium Chlorate were just generic chemicals and not protected by patents, nobody would pay to test and approve them, only for every man and his dog to be allowed to sell it too, so they were all withdrawn apart from patent-protected glyphosphates and derivitives.
Cant imagine why they would do that. Monsanto's Patent on glyphosate ran out in the late 90s (in Europe)if I remember correctly. that means any one can make it, so they would just have been doing their competitors a massive favour. They did this by mandating all weedkillers need expensive EU testing and approval to be allowed to be sold. As all the good old and cheap weedkillers such as Sodium Chlorate were just generic chemicals and not protected by patents, nobody would pay to test and approve them, only for every man and his dog to be allowed to sell it too, so they were all withdrawn apart from patent-protected glyphosphates and derivitives.
All weedkillers already GET expensive testing before they are sold, Several years worth of it. Sodium Chlorate didnt of course, because, as you point out, its a very old weedkiller. Its also pretty toxic by ingestion, whcih is why the EU saw fit to ban it for household use. I am sure Simpo will correct me here, but isnt Sodium Chlorate the weedkiller part of the weedkiller and sugar explosives mixture?
Most weedkillers were banned because 1) gardeners spash em about like water and they allegedly get into water courses and into rivers as a result. Farmers have to take huge precautions not to do this 2). The jolly old EU were worried that the older chemicals were a bit too toxic to have hanging around the house were stupid people could drink them. After all, they have to save us from ourselves dont they.
Some times I wonder how I made it this far without the EU, I really do.
Who did you work for Simpo?
Edited by Astacus on Saturday 1st June 20:36
Astacus said:
Sodium Chlorate didnt of course, because, as you point out, its a very old weedkiller. Its also pretty toxic by ingestion, whcih is why the EU saw fit to ban it for household use.
I thought it was for flammability but stand to be corrected.Astacus said:
I am sure Simpo will correct me here, but isnt Sodium Chlorate the weedkiller part of the weedkiller and sugar explosives mixture?
Not my department! Are you thinking of the IRA ammonium nitrate fertiliser bombs?Astacus said:
Who did you work for Simpo?
May & Baker aka Rhone Poulenc Agrochemie. They plucked me from graduate-dom and decided I'd test all their garden chemicals for them - but from within the marketing department... I left because the marketing manager started making up trials results before they were complete. And the fact that he was the prototype of...
And you sir are a crayfish
Sodium chlorate is an oxidising agent which can be mixed with a fuel to make a propellant - or something like a pipe bomb. Ammonium nitrate is a high explosive which can be mixed with fuel oil and detonated with a suitable primary explosive to make things like truck bombs. Sodium chlorate could be used for the kind of weapon the Boston bombers made, ammonium nitrate for the kind Tim McVeigh used.
Simpo Two said:
hora said:
jontysafe said:
HOW MUCH?!It's a professional product not cleared for domestic use and you couldn't legally buy it anyway.
It says 'Over 6 months control' which could be 7 months, meaning if you sprayed in Spring they could be growing back by Autumn.
The reason I ask is I've got a biggish plot of land which is severely overgrown with brambles, nettles, thistles and worst of all, Willow herb. So you can't walk across it and the fluffy seed things from the thistles and Willow herb get blown all over the place (and into surrounding houses) at the back end of summer and it's just getting worse.
It will eventually be built on or sold off for building land, but for now I just need to contain it - easily and quickly, but I'm not about to spend a lot of time and money doing it twice every year hence my question.
Simpo Two said:
May & Baker aka Rhone Poulenc Agrochemie.
Hmm..........Me too, I was plucked from post graduatedom into the Ongar site for 13 years.
Simpo Two said:
I left because the marketing manager started making up trials results before they were complete. And the fact that he was the prototype of...
I left because 1. They were closing it and 2. well, I was a scientist and as far as RP was concerned that wasn't worth much.Simpo Two said:
And you sir are a crayfish
Its a fair cop, but I blame societyEvoluzione said:
+ VAT = £192 + shipping. It's allowing me to purchase online.
It says 'Over 6 months control' which could be 7 months, meaning if you sprayed in Spring they could be growing back by Autumn.
The reason I ask is I've got a biggish plot of land which is severely overgrown with brambles, nettles, thistles and worst of all, Willow herb. So you can't walk across it and the fluffy seed things from the thistles and Willow herb get blown all over the place (and into surrounding houses) at the back end of summer and it's just getting worse.
It will eventually be built on or sold off for building land, but for now I just need to contain it - easily and quickly, but I'm not about to spend a lot of time and money doing it twice every year hence my question.
Or you could get two pigsIt says 'Over 6 months control' which could be 7 months, meaning if you sprayed in Spring they could be growing back by Autumn.
The reason I ask is I've got a biggish plot of land which is severely overgrown with brambles, nettles, thistles and worst of all, Willow herb. So you can't walk across it and the fluffy seed things from the thistles and Willow herb get blown all over the place (and into surrounding houses) at the back end of summer and it's just getting worse.
It will eventually be built on or sold off for building land, but for now I just need to contain it - easily and quickly, but I'm not about to spend a lot of time and money doing it twice every year hence my question.
Evoluzione said:
+ VAT = £192 + shipping. It's allowing me to purchase online.
It says 'Over 6 months control' which could be 7 months, meaning if you sprayed in Spring they could be growing back by Autumn.
The reason I ask is I've got a biggish plot of land which is severely overgrown with brambles, nettles, thistles and worst of all, Willow herb. So you can't walk across it and the fluffy seed things from the thistles and Willow herb get blown all over the place (and into surrounding houses) at the back end of summer and it's just getting worse.
It will eventually be built on or sold off for building land, but for now I just need to contain it - easily and quickly, but I'm not about to spend a lot of time and money doing it twice every year hence my question.
Or you could get two pigsIt says 'Over 6 months control' which could be 7 months, meaning if you sprayed in Spring they could be growing back by Autumn.
The reason I ask is I've got a biggish plot of land which is severely overgrown with brambles, nettles, thistles and worst of all, Willow herb. So you can't walk across it and the fluffy seed things from the thistles and Willow herb get blown all over the place (and into surrounding houses) at the back end of summer and it's just getting worse.
It will eventually be built on or sold off for building land, but for now I just need to contain it - easily and quickly, but I'm not about to spend a lot of time and money doing it twice every year hence my question.
Evoluzione said:
+ VAT = £192 + shipping. It's allowing me to purchase online.
It says 'Over 6 months control' which could be 7 months, meaning if you sprayed in Spring they could be growing back by Autumn.
The reason I ask is I've got a biggish plot of land which is severely overgrown with brambles, nettles, thistles and worst of all, Willow herb. So you can't walk across it and the fluffy seed things from the thistles and Willow herb get blown all over the place (and into surrounding houses) at the back end of summer and it's just getting worse.
It will eventually be built on or sold off for building land, but for now I just need to contain it - easily and quickly, but I'm not about to spend a lot of time and money doing it twice every year hence my question.
Or you could get two pigsIt says 'Over 6 months control' which could be 7 months, meaning if you sprayed in Spring they could be growing back by Autumn.
The reason I ask is I've got a biggish plot of land which is severely overgrown with brambles, nettles, thistles and worst of all, Willow herb. So you can't walk across it and the fluffy seed things from the thistles and Willow herb get blown all over the place (and into surrounding houses) at the back end of summer and it's just getting worse.
It will eventually be built on or sold off for building land, but for now I just need to contain it - easily and quickly, but I'm not about to spend a lot of time and money doing it twice every year hence my question.
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