Two Storey House Extension
Discussion
tleefox said:
alock said:
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And the steel arrives:
I'd love to know how they got that off the back of there and into the house?And the steel arrives:
My neighbour took a few pictures of the operation for me (since I was at work). I'll hopefully pick them up tonight and it might answer a few questions!
shimmey69 said:
Orange = sockets
Purple = lights
Light blue = switches
Dark green = cat
Light green = aerial
Pink = tv
Am I right???
I knew the lamp circuits wouldn't be obvious to most people. We saw them in a house many years ago and it seems such a sensible idea. A light switch by the door that switches all the lamps on and off in the room.Purple = lights
Light blue = switches
Dark green = cat
Light green = aerial
Pink = tv
Am I right???
Lamp circuits are a great idea... We had them in our apartment in France, where they appear to be quite common.. We ended up replacing the simple switches with control panels that set up zones and mood lighting .
Since you've got ceilings and walls to re-plaster.. I'd drop a few more cat6 around the house , I floodwired my ceiling voids and left them unconnected ( but with photos showing where they were). Then when I needed a few extras for webcams and sonos it just a channeling down the wall to where I needed them...
Since you've got ceilings and walls to re-plaster.. I'd drop a few more cat6 around the house , I floodwired my ceiling voids and left them unconnected ( but with photos showing where they were). Then when I needed a few extras for webcams and sonos it just a channeling down the wall to where I needed them...
alock said:
tleefox said:
alock said:
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And the steel arrives:
I'd love to know how they got that off the back of there and into the house?And the steel arrives:
My neighbour took a few pictures of the operation for me (since I was at work). I'll hopefully pick them up tonight and it might answer a few questions!
Edited by alock on Wednesday 24th July 19:55
E36GUY said:
Agreed. Love the kitchen design but too many down lights
The lighting is changing. You might not like this, but there are going to be even more lights!The lighting diagram above was a theoretical attempt before we knew whether the beam could be completely hidden within the ceiling and before we had decided on Velux windows. In the end, the beam had to be 12" high and therefore will project a few inches into the room. We are also having two huge Velux windows to let as much light in as possible because the room in north facing.
What this means is that we are losing the 3 feature pendants over the island because the ceiling above the island has 3 different levels.
The 2 parts of the roof (original house and existing extension) have joists in different positions and recessing lights in locations that are suitable for both was very tricky. The only way we could make it work was have 6 across the room. The joists are almost made-to-measure and 6 will be perfectly spaced. We also need to position 2 of the lines of lights around the Velux windows.
We are wiring them in multiple circuits with a dimmer on each circuit so we can control how much light each zone gets.
alock said:
The lighting is changing. You might not like this, but there are going to be even more lights!
I get that you have to take joists into account but waaay too many lights. What you have there is shop lighting. Half of them are merely lighting areas of floor and are not required. You should place them around the working areas only for a good affect.But then, it's your house so if that's what you want who am I to argue!
E36GUY said:
I get that you have to take joists into account but waaay too many lights. What you have there is shop lighting. Half of them are merely lighting areas of floor and are not required. You should place them around the working areas only for a good affect.
But then, it's your house so if that's what you want who am I to argue!
I'm far from an expert on this and have struggled to find guides that actually tell you how many lights to install. One guide I've found is here:But then, it's your house so if that's what you want who am I to argue!
http://www.switch2leds.co.uk/knowledge-base/beam-a...
Basically they distil it to this formula:
Number of fixtures = (Lux level * room area) / lumens per LED Lamp
They advise a Lux level of 250 for kitchens. Our kitchen is 34m². If I install 400 lumen bulbs then I get:
250 x 34 / 400 = 21.25
24 doesn't seem excessive. What am I missing?
Don't know about number of lights ... ( 18 in my kitchen..excluding plinth lights though )
However ...be careful with the positioning above the kitchen counters ... Looking at your diagram and the earlier 3d from the kitchen company, I think you might be casting shadows over the worktop . I got it wrong first time round :-(
Maybe move them towards the middle of the counters so less chance of shadow
However ...be careful with the positioning above the kitchen counters ... Looking at your diagram and the earlier 3d from the kitchen company, I think you might be casting shadows over the worktop . I got it wrong first time round :-(
Maybe move them towards the middle of the counters so less chance of shadow
alock said:
This site is a load of guff but anyway, they are suggesting an OVERALL lighting level. Why would you need 250 lux over the floor? Are you going to sit cross-legged in the middle of the kitchen with your newspaper? If you are then go with that!You only need anything like that level over worktops and kitchen island - the action areas. Everywhere else you can decrease. LIghting should be used where it's needed then you get a much nicer effect overall. Kitchen is the hub of the house and should be nicely lit not just well lit. You could probably get a tan under that many! If you want to send me a drawing I will happily plot out a scheme for you.
You won't get a 400 lumen lamp either - despite what the sellers say. Ask them for photometric data for 'delivered' lumens and see what response you get. Your mobile phone is capable of lasting 4 days without charging but never does if you follow....
Just to pour on some scorn (I promise to stop immediately after and just be helpful). This made me howl with laughter.
switch2leds website said:
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