Show us your real estate pawn (vol 2)

Sunday 16th October 2016

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

CharlesdeGaulle

26,305 posts

181 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

RichB said:

had ham said:

SilverSpur said:

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

Nice.

Awful! Possibly the 'coldest' house posted on here, and in a pretty horrid part of the UK.

Footballer's house? Not my cup of tea...

That is horrible. Almost beyond parody.

ianrb

1,536 posts

141 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

samdale

2,860 posts

185 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

ianrb said:

That seems very cheap

As a previous poster stated. I hope the walls are OK, could be very special indeed if it's 'just' renovation that needs doing.
Something structural may easily crush dreams and explain the price.

12,714 posts

211 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

ianrb said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

brickwall

5,250 posts

211 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

AstonZagato said:

ianrb said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

What does the PH massive reckon it would cost do a decent renovation on that? 3,000 sq ft, so I'd say at least £600k...

If it's not worth £1m+ at the end it would be uneconomic.

IIRC there's no VAT on the construction of new-build houses - is there a similar exemption for taking something from "not habitable" to habitable?

ianrb

1,536 posts

141 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

AstonZagato said:

ianrb said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

To be honest that looks like the kind of place I could fall in love with. Fortunaly I don't have the spare cash, so there's no danger of me making a complete fool of myself!

12,714 posts

211 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

brickwall said:

AstonZagato said:

ianrb said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

What does the PH massive reckon it would cost do a decent renovation on that? 3,000 sq ft, so I'd say at least £600k...

If it's not worth £1m+ at the end it would be uneconomic.

IIRC there's no VAT on the construction of new-build houses - is there a similar exemption for taking something from "not habitable" to habitable?

How long is a piece of string but you could easily spend seven figures. Especially if you find some horrors. Which you will.

TheJimi

25,012 posts

244 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

AstonZagato said:

brickwall said:

AstonZagato said:

ianrb said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

What does the PH massive reckon it would cost do a decent renovation on that? 3,000 sq ft, so I'd say at least £600k...

If it's not worth £1m+ at the end it would be uneconomic.

IIRC there's no VAT on the construction of new-build houses - is there a similar exemption for taking something from "not habitable" to habitable?

How long is a piece of string but you could easily spend seven figures. Especially if you find some horrors. Which you will.

You said it right in first time around - that's a titanic money pit.

You'd just haemorrhage money with places like that.

anonymous-user

55 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

h0b0 said:

You can walk to the station and be in Manchester or Leeds in under an hour.

Indeed, but why would you want to be in either? Backward dumps. There's a reason why you live in NJ...!

beer

12,714 posts

211 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

TheJimi said:

AstonZagato said:

brickwall said:

AstonZagato said:

ianrb said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

What does the PH massive reckon it would cost do a decent renovation on that? 3,000 sq ft, so I'd say at least £600k...

If it's not worth £1m+ at the end it would be uneconomic.

IIRC there's no VAT on the construction of new-build houses - is there a similar exemption for taking something from "not habitable" to habitable?

How long is a piece of string but you could easily spend seven figures. Especially if you find some horrors. Which you will.

You said it right in first time around - that's a titanic money pit.

You'd just haemorrhage money with places like that.

But it would be stunning when done. With bags of character. And you'd bask in the knowledge that you'd saved a fine building.

brickwall

5,250 posts

211 months

Sunday 16th October 2016

AstonZagato said:

TheJimi said:

AstonZagato said:

brickwall said:

AstonZagato said:

ianrb said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

samdale said:

Quite far from "pawn" I know, but I'd love to have the money to throw at this and make it my own.

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/prope...

I agree. I'd love to renovate something like that.

That seems very cheap for what could be made into something very special. Is it the gradeII listed status that has pushed the price down, or is there an enormous abattoir next door I don’t know about?

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

What does the PH massive reckon it would cost do a decent renovation on that? 3,000 sq ft, so I'd say at least £600k...

If it's not worth £1m+ at the end it would be uneconomic.

IIRC there's no VAT on the construction of new-build houses - is there a similar exemption for taking something from "not habitable" to habitable?

How long is a piece of string but you could easily spend seven figures. Especially if you find some horrors. Which you will.

You said it right in first time around - that's a titanic money pit.

You'd just haemorrhage money with places like that.

But it would be stunning when done. With bags of character. And you'd bask in the knowledge that you'd saved a fine building.

Completely agree - would be a fantastic project, especially if you had a very generous budget. I'd imagine EXTREMELY taxing, but equally rewarding.

My question was more around whether anyone would actually do it, because it looks like it'd be uneconomic to do so. Which is sad.

gibbon

2,182 posts

208 months

Monday 17th October 2016

AstonZagato said:

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

Thats not the case, yes it makes things harder and will cost a bit more, and you have less free scope, but i live in a grade two listed house, with a very modern dug out basement extension. Some of the wall angles look a little concerning though. Hard to tell without a proper inspection.

rival38

487 posts

146 months

Monday 17th October 2016

Last summer we finished the 9 month restoration of a 2600SqFt house, about 50 miles from the one being discussed. Ours was probably in better condition, it was at least habitable.

The problem is that until you start, it is impossible to know what you will find. We had plenty of rotten structural oak timbers, crumbled foundations, terrifying wiring and of course uncovered many previous bodges. Some dating back a long time.Huge areas of internal lime plaster had to be removed and the fabric of walls repaired before it was painstakingly put back. Floors had to be dug up to reach problematic foundations, or to restore correct levels and recoup ceiling height.

No decent restoration specialist will give you a price to finish the job, they can not. Pretty much everything you see on the TV about property / building goes out of the window with ancient buildings. You will not be in charge of the budget or schedule! Once you start you are committed, and the building will keep throwing costly surprises at you. Simple things like replacing windows turn out not to be simple, the windows will not be standard sizes, you will need to have them made to spec. Fitting them will be far from easy, the walls may be sloping or of non uniform thickness. Everything is a battle.

12,714 posts

211 months

Monday 17th October 2016

gibbon said:

AstonZagato said:

That is a money pit of titanic proportions. Grade 2 means you will have to fight to make it fit for the 21st century. I hope someone does renovate it.

Thats not the case, yes it makes things harder and will cost a bit more, and you have less free scope, but i live in a grade two listed house, with a very modern dug out basement extension. Some of the wall angles look a little concerning though. Hard to tell without a proper inspection.

I own a Grade 2* Georgian house

I guess it depends where you are and which Listed Buildings Officer is in charge of your case.

Ours have fought (off the top of my head):

Installing a family bathroom for two bedrooms on a floor without a bathroom when all other bathrooms in the house are en-suite
Building a garage when there was no garage (the garage cannot be seen from the house)
Reinstating fireplace with a late Georgian surround on the basis that the house is early Georgian (in a Victorian extension)

That said, we won most battles (albeit at a financial cost). They consistently insisted on the most expensive option even when cheaper alternatives were available.

They also let us rip down one of the oldest walls in the house as they thought it was modern fibreboard - which let us get a large kitchen.

Oddly, they made it very clear that if we wanted to put modern additions onto the property then they'd be very supportive. Glass boxes are very well received. Apparently, it shows a "narrative of development" and a "clear transition between old and new" or some such.

FourWheelDrift

88,556 posts

285 months

Monday 17th October 2016

AstonZagato said:

Oddly, they made it very clear that if we wanted to put modern additions onto the property then they'd be very supportive. Glass boxes are very well received. Apparently, it shows a "narrative of development" and a "clear transition between old and new" or some such.

That's the thing that annoys me most, it's ok to nail an ugly modern out of place extension onto an old building but they don't allow a natural extension that blends in the same style as the rest of the house. I guess it's to show the original house and what's the add on, but plans and old photos can do that without resorting to ugliness.

h0b0

7,628 posts

197 months