Nest Thermostat - Released in the UK

[dazwalsh]

now this appeals to my nerdy energy saving side. very sleek looking thing

[Andehh]

Does strike me as more form over function? There are dozens of alternatives on themarket for similar prices that do more.. Heating & hot water, mobile apps, wireless thermostat, Web browser controllable etc etc...

[Murph7355]

Andehh said:

Does strike me as more form over function? There are dozens of alternatives on themarket for similar prices that do more.. Heating & hot water, mobile apps, wireless thermostat, Web browser controllable etc etc...

Totally agree. They look to be pitching themselves as the Apple of the central heating world.

Smoke detector's a piss take too price wise. Though that does have a couple of handy features on it.

[page3]

Decided to take the plunge - free install and amazon voucher helped with my decision.

Stand due today, but unit not until Saturday on Amazon 'next day' prime delivery.

[Rickyy]

Going to be a bit of a niche market I think. I'd say 85% percent of my customers don't like complicated heating controls.

I can't even convince them to have a programmable room stat most of the time, they like a simple timer and standard rotary dial room stat.

[Zoon]

The only problem I can see with it is that you need a mains cable running up the wall.
Also the auto away feature is great if you actually leave the house, but what if you are upstairs or in another room away from the sensor.

Edited by Zoon on Thursday 3rd April 09:44

[untruth]

Zoon said:

Also the auto away feature is great if you actually leave the house, but what if you are upstairs or in another room away from the sensor.

Edited by Zoon on Thursday 3rd April 09:44

You buy another Nest for that room, which networks with the other one. Then you bankrupt yourself.

[Andehh]

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SALUS-iT500-SMART-INTERNET...

That^ does more, costs less AND looks better. Who are NEST fooling?

I was honestly hoping they'd do more.

Edited by Andehh on Thursday 3rd April 12:25

[Superal101]

Does anyone know, if I have an existing wired thermostat, can I use the stand and just plug into the mains or does it have to go in the same location as the existing thermostat?

thanks
alex

[stanwan]

Andehh said:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SALUS-iT500-SMART-INTERNET...

That^ does more, costs less AND looks better. Who are NEST fooling?

I was honestly hoping they'd do more.

Edited by Andehh on Thursday 3rd April 12:25

I'm afraid I totally disagree - disregarding functionality, that Salus looks like heap of cheap bits and crappy LCD display. The nest is a lovely bit of design. The Salus most definitely is not!!!!!!

[B17NNS]

It's pretty cool to look at. Has the whole Apple thing going on. But what does it do that a programmable room stat doesn't (other than 'learn'?).

I'd still go with the above and put the £120 saved towards gas myself.

Oh, and I've never been in a house without a room stat.

[Rickyy]

B17NNS said:

It's pretty cool to look at. Has the whole Apple thing going on. But what does it do that a programmable room stat doesn't (other than 'learn'?).

I'd still go with the above and put the £120 saved towards gas myself.

Oh, and I've never been in a house without a room stat.

Unless I start working very unpredictable shifts, I don't think I'll ever need Wifi enabled heating! I'll stick with the Honeywell CM927.

What is this "learning" thing? Is it the same as optimum start, where the stat notes how long the house takes to warm up and adjusts the time the heating comes on so the target temperature is reached when you request it?

You'd be surprised how many houses don't have room stats, but I wouldn't say most haven't. It's been against building regs to not have temperature control on heating for a long time!

[VEX]

dazwalsh said:

now this appeals to my nerdy energy saving side. very sleek looking thing

If you like NEST then you would love this!

Should have pricing through for it in the next couple of days.

http://www.evohome.info/

[stanwan]

B17NNS said:

It's pretty cool to look at. Has the whole Apple thing going on. But what does it do that a programmable room stat doesn't (other than 'learn'?).

I'd still go with the above and put the £120 saved towards gas myself.

Oh, and I've never been in a house without a room stat.

That's the thing - they have sexed up the most mundane home appliance. The learning thing is simply a series of feedback loops that basic stats lack. The ear of adjustment is clever - very few people sit and play with hot water and heating systems regularly. The learning bit is actually the programming place as the user continually tweaks. Add in feedback loops for outdoor weather, sunlight and rates of heating and you have system that can fairly accurately judge usage and adjust accordingly.

What it does sorely lack is a hot water control loop and proprietary TRVs so that you can zone in/out rooms. Once that is in place, it'll be perfect....

[fourpointsixgt]

Oh, and I've never been in a house without a room stat.
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Really, I see loads, combis fitted pre wireless roomstat era, many lazy installers just plugged the boiler in, used the integral clock and fitted trv's on the rads.
I fit loads of wireless ones on these, 45 mins work tops. Great little earner whilst saving the customer money on the gas bill.

[stanwan]

B17NNS said:

It's pretty cool to look at. Has the whole Apple thing going on. But what does it do that a programmable room stat doesn't (other than 'learn'?).

I'd still go with the above and put the £120 saved towards gas myself.

Oh, and I've never been in a house without a room stat.

That's the thing - they have sexed up the most mundane home appliance. The learning thing is simply a series of feedback loops that basic stats lack. The ear of adjustment is clever - very few people sit and play with hot water and heating systems regularly. The learning bit is actually the programming place as the user continually tweaks. Add in feedback loops for outdoor weather, sunlight and rates of heating and you have system that can fairly accurately judge usage and adjust accordingly.

What it does sorely lack is a hot water control loop and proprietary TRVs so that you can zone in/out rooms. Once that is in place, it'll be perfect....

[zed4]

VEX said:

dazwalsh said:

now this appeals to my nerdy energy saving side. very sleek looking thing

If you like NEST then you would love this!

Should have pricing through for it in the next couple of days.

http://www.evohome.info/

I'm considering this Chris. I'd be interested in getting a price from you. I can install it, just need you to supply.

[Nuisance_Value]

fourpointsixgt said:

Really, I see loads, combis fitted pre wireless roomstat era, many lazy installers just plugged the boiler in, used the integral clock and fitted trv's on the rads.
I fit loads of wireless ones on these, 45 mins work tops. Great little earner whilst saving the customer money on the gas bill.

My last place never had a central thermostat, and neither does the current one, just the set up as described by 4.6GT, so a remedy of sorts is required. Quite tempted by this Nest, but I'm already considering Lightwave for some local lighting so their thermostat would be a nice idea for integration. Only fly in the ointment is apparent lack of Lightwave availability which doesn't bode well.

That, and that Nest is a nice looking bit of kit.

[lbc]

Nuisance_Value said:

fourpointsixgt said:

Really, I see loads, combis fitted pre wireless roomstat era, many lazy installers just plugged the boiler in, used the integral clock and fitted trv's on the rads.
I fit loads of wireless ones on these, 45 mins work tops. Great little earner whilst saving the customer money on the gas bill.

My last place never had a central thermostat, and neither does the current one, just the set up as described by 4.6GT, so a remedy of sorts is required. Quite tempted by this Nest, but I'm already considering Lightwave for some local lighting so their thermostat would be a nice idea for integration. Only fly in the ointment is apparent lack of Lightwave availability which doesn't bode well.

That, and that Nest is a nice looking bit of kit.

The only places I have visited without thermostats are shared converted flats/houses where the landlord controls the heating, and the heating is usually on full blast.

[gaz1234]

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