Dishwasher - Siemens, Bosch or.....?
Discussion
On Sunday, my dishwasher went pop - literally. RCD tripped, and the burning smell from the dishwasher suggests it's not worth fixing. It's a 13 year old Bosch.
All of my other white goods are Bosch (and similar age) but I've been disappointed with the quality of the fridge and freezer - the handles have broken off several times, and the interior baskets fracture easily in the fridge too. So I don't feel any particular loyalty to the brand.
Essential features for me are : separate cutlery tray at the top, adjustable height racks, and folding holders on both racks. This seems to rule out a lot of the options, especially a lower prices.
I understand that Bosch and Siemens share many parts and my mate has suggested the Bosch SMS69L32G which he has. I've seen it in Currys and it looks OK (although I'd prefer silver I think), but they don't have the Siemens in store. And although it costs more, I quite fancy the blue light the Siemens has when you open the door....
Any recommendations? Any other brands? Miele / Smeg / Neff tempted me but the ones I saw in Currys didn't seem to have all the options I want.
I'm thinking of the £500-600 range (and free standing) - I still haven't figured out what makes some of the Siemens worth £800!
All of my other white goods are Bosch (and similar age) but I've been disappointed with the quality of the fridge and freezer - the handles have broken off several times, and the interior baskets fracture easily in the fridge too. So I don't feel any particular loyalty to the brand.
Essential features for me are : separate cutlery tray at the top, adjustable height racks, and folding holders on both racks. This seems to rule out a lot of the options, especially a lower prices.
I understand that Bosch and Siemens share many parts and my mate has suggested the Bosch SMS69L32G which he has. I've seen it in Currys and it looks OK (although I'd prefer silver I think), but they don't have the Siemens in store. And although it costs more, I quite fancy the blue light the Siemens has when you open the door....
Any recommendations? Any other brands? Miele / Smeg / Neff tempted me but the ones I saw in Currys didn't seem to have all the options I want.
I'm thinking of the £500-600 range (and free standing) - I still haven't figured out what makes some of the Siemens worth £800!
Yep - probably is... covers models from 1999 to 2005
http://home.excite.co.uk/bosch-product-recall-uk.h...
http://home.excite.co.uk/bosch-product-recall-uk.h...
I would say go back to Bosch. Ours lasted 10 years which I think is a good life for a dishwasher.
Unfortunately being hard up at the moment we had to go for currys own brand cheapy. Talk about poor build quality and it holds less even though they are both slimline. Still what do you expect for £180
I give it less than 5 years before it dies.
Unfortunately being hard up at the moment we had to go for currys own brand cheapy. Talk about poor build quality and it holds less even though they are both slimline. Still what do you expect for £180
I give it less than 5 years before it dies.
Neil - YVM said:
Bosch Seimens Neff, all same company.
Personally I would be happy suggesting them.
Indeed. Main difference is the additional features with a different brand representing a different price point but the core design being identical.Personally I would be happy suggesting them.
We bought a Bosch about 6 months ago to replace the integrated Diplomat d/w that had gone bang. Much better at cleaning dishes, much quieter too.
Forget miele - pile of poo.
Disheasher leaks down door. Customer services wont say if it willnbe covered under warranty untill someone cones out. So left it as is as i dont want a daft bill.
Washing machine main rubber seal torn - was told unlikely to be covered by warranty so rather than risk call out charges which arent cheap ive left it as is.
Freezer stopped working just out of warranty - more than cost of freezer to replace.
At least the dryer still works,
Quality has been poor.
And not pleased with customer support or warranty.
Summary - miele - pile off poo
Disheasher leaks down door. Customer services wont say if it willnbe covered under warranty untill someone cones out. So left it as is as i dont want a daft bill.
Washing machine main rubber seal torn - was told unlikely to be covered by warranty so rather than risk call out charges which arent cheap ive left it as is.
Freezer stopped working just out of warranty - more than cost of freezer to replace.
At least the dryer still works,
Quality has been poor.
And not pleased with customer support or warranty.
Summary - miele - pile off poo
OK, so Bosch or Siemens it is then.
The Bosch I mentioned at the start does do everything I want. The Siemens range is a tad confusing, because Currys have totally different models to John Lewis.
It looks like the Siemens tend to use lower power, but according to the tech specs the Bosch is slightly quieter. I'm tempted by the Siemens at JL, because it's a nice silver and has the emotive blue light when you open it (sad I know). But - I'm really not sure those two things together justify the £200 price difference!
The Bosch I mentioned at the start does do everything I want. The Siemens range is a tad confusing, because Currys have totally different models to John Lewis.
It looks like the Siemens tend to use lower power, but according to the tech specs the Bosch is slightly quieter. I'm tempted by the Siemens at JL, because it's a nice silver and has the emotive blue light when you open it (sad I know). But - I'm really not sure those two things together justify the £200 price difference!
Neil - YVM said:
Bosch Seimens Neff, all same company.
Personally I would be happy suggesting them.
They are, however, nearly all of their products (excluding Siemens) are made under licence which allows manufacturers to use the brand name.Personally I would be happy suggesting them.
Personally, i would never have a BSH appliance, especially Siemens - over priced and over rated crap.
Miele for us has been brilliant. In fact, just bought another one of their dishwashers.
Wherever you read on the internet, you will find horror stories of ALL manufacturers.
Good luck OP.
Alucidnation said:
They are, however, nearly all of their products (excluding Siemens) are made under licence which allows manufacturers to use the brand name.
Yes - I searched earlier, and found stories from people who'd bought Bosch products and then found that actually they were really made by Samsung.Makes it a bit difficult to know what you're actually buying and what you're actually paying for!
I'm currently trying to resist ordering the Siemens SN26T597GB.
Mostly because of the shiny blue light and because it's stainless steel - which I can justify (slightly) because it's about 30% more energy efficient.
Weak arguments, and my sensible side is saying order the Bosch. Not sure which side will win yet!
Mostly because of the shiny blue light and because it's stainless steel - which I can justify (slightly) because it's about 30% more energy efficient.
Weak arguments, and my sensible side is saying order the Bosch. Not sure which side will win yet!
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