Link alarm to garage door opener

Link alarm to garage door opener

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Craikeybaby

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224 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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I've got a Hormann Promatic garage door opener with a 2 button remote, but only one button is used to open/close the door. I want to fit an alarm to the garage (possibly not needed, but old garage was broken in to) but trying to work out how best to set it up, so that when the garage door is opened with the remote the alarm is disarmed.

I'm thinking either using the second button on the remote, althogh some confirmation would be needed that the alarm is disarmed, before opening the garage. Or somehow getting a signal out of the door mechanism to deactivate the alarm.

Does anybody have a similar set up? Or ideas on how this could be achieved?

Chris993C2

655 posts

210 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Does the opener have a light? Maybe drive a suitable relay from that...

paulrockliffe

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226 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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You won’t find an alarm that can be deactivated from a relay input.

I think you'll struggle to make it work. It's not very secure at all to have any sort of generic input to the box that can deactivate the alarm. You need some sort of secure input to the alarm, which you won’t achieve easily unless the alarm manufacturer makes a suitable bit of kit. In essence, where you’re trying to tie the two bits of kit together is pretty much guaranteed to be a security weak-point, unless both parties support the idea.

To put it another way, you could achieve this by positioning an alarm touch pad and fob suitably, so that they touch when the door opens. But you can see why that would a bit insecure!

A quick google suggests that:

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/iris-z-wave-garage-do...

Could work, but as I said it won’t be a simple solution. If you find a way to make it work, report back.

Chris993C2

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Thursday 14th August 2014
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paulrockliffe said:
You won’t find an alarm that can be deactivated from a relay input.
Not to deactivate the alarm, but wired in parallel with sensor n/c trigger terminals...

paulrockliffe

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Thursday 14th August 2014
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Chris993C2 said:
paulrockliffe said:
You won’t find an alarm that can be deactivated from a relay input.
Not to deactivate the alarm, but wired in parallel with sensor n/c trigger terminals...
Is the easiest thing then not to put a standard alarm trigger on the garage door and programme the sensor as an entrance sensor so that the alarm goes off after the usual period of time to allow the alarm to be edactivated manually?

I'm not sure that's what the OP was looking for though.

Craikeybaby

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Thursday 14th August 2014
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Thanks. The installer did day that if I can get a signal to the alarm it should be possible to disarm it.

I don't want to leave it with a long entry delay on the alarm as it takes some manoeuvring to get into the garage, so the time delay would give plenty of time for someone to get in and out with bikes/tools etc.

The Moose

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208 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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My parents always had an alarm in the garage, but have to deactivate on the panel in the house and then go in the garage.

Garage not attached to house however.

Craikeybaby

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Thursday 14th August 2014
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I want to be able to deactivate the alarm from in the car.

richelli

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171 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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I've got this problem and have decided to get an alarm that activates and deactivates via a phone call. I have a landline into my garage as I don't use the house phone line for phone calls. I'm presuming I can either use that or some kind of SIM card activated alarm. I think Yale do one.

tommy,b

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218 months

Thursday 14th August 2014
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Craikeybaby said:
I've got a Hormann Promatic garage door opener with a 2 button remote, but only one button is used to open/close the door. I want to fit an alarm to the garage (possibly not needed, but old garage was broken in to) but trying to work out how best to set it up, so that when the garage door is opened with the remote the alarm is disarmed.

I'm thinking either using the second button on the remote, althogh some confirmation would be needed that the alarm is disarmed, before opening the garage. Or somehow getting a signal out of the door mechanism to deactivate the alarm.

Does anybody have a similar set up? Or ideas on how this could be achieved?
All of what you want to be done can be done i have done it a few times with locks. so that when you throw the lock the alarm sets/unsets. A lot of garage doors will have relay on them which you can connect to to give your N.C / N.O.

Craikeybaby

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Friday 15th August 2014
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Thanks.

I'll dig into that a bit further, a quick Google didn't bring up any wiring diagrams, but will see what I can find.

Dog Star

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Friday 15th August 2014
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paulrockliffe said:
You won’t find an alarm that can be deactivated from a relay input.
Wrong.

A Texecom Veritas Excel or Elite can have a Visonic MCR-304 Wireless interface attached which can be added to the alarm as a keyswitch zone. Turn it on and off with a Visonic MCT-234 remote. Set entry delay to zero seconds. Job jobbed.

I am just about to start a thread on a related matter biggrin

paulrockliffe

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226 months

Friday 15th August 2014
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Dog Star said:
paulrockliffe said:
You won’t find an alarm that can be deactivated from a relay input.
Wrong.

A Texecom Veritas Excel or Elite can have a Visonic MCR-304 Wireless interface attached which can be added to the alarm as a keyswitch zone. Turn it on and off with a Visonic MCT-234 remote. Set entry delay to zero seconds. Job jobbed.

I am just about to start a thread on a related matter biggrin
That's not just a relay though is it, it's providing a secure input to the alarm rather than just a voltage triggered by the door opening.

That would do what the OP is after though, especially if you could use the relay out from the alarm to open the garage door. Do you know if the Elite can be programmed to output from the relay only if a specific switch is used to turn off the alarm?

I've actually got an Elite 48 with an 8 zone expander in the workshop and a spare wire from the relay to the workshop, so I'd be interested in seeing how this worked as it could be exactly what I'm looking for.

Dog Star

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Friday 15th August 2014
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paulrockliffe said:
That's not just a relay though is it, it's providing a secure input to the alarm rather than just a voltage triggered by the door opening.

That would do what the OP is after though, especially if you could use the relay out from the alarm to open the garage door. Do you know if the Elite can be programmed to output from the relay only if a specific switch is used to turn off the alarm?

I've actually got an Elite 48 with an 8 zone expander in the workshop and a spare wire from the relay to the workshop, so I'd be interested in seeing how this worked as it could be exactly what I'm looking for.
Visonic do a multi-channel receiver (the one I mentioned is only a single output) and with the relevant relay you can use attach relays so it will turn on lights, open/close gates and so forth from a remote.

There's also an aux out (I forget the term) on the Texecom board that can be used to switch relays.

I got very familiar with all this stuff as I had a horrendous garage burglary several months ago and did quite a bit of research on how to make a remote alarm using a "proper" system (not one of those eBay specials) with - and this is important - no delay entry. If scrotes can open the garage door before the alarm goes off or have, say, ten seconds grace then I'm fked. It's too late.

The beauty of the Texecom is that relatively cheaply (and easily - wiring a garage isn't like wiring a house) you can go totally mental with opening sensors, remotes, PIRs, impact sensors (stick them on the roof! Cover all bases!) and the like. And don't forget diallers (with a GSM fallback option in case scrotey boy chops your phone cable.

Craikeybaby

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Friday 15th August 2014
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This is all very interesting - thank you!

I was planning a Texecom Veritas alarm anyway, as that is what I've got in the house. So instead of using the Hormann fob to activate the alarm I use the alarm fob to open/shut the door.

Dog Star

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167 months

Friday 15th August 2014
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Craikeybaby said:
This is all very interesting - thank you!

I was planning a Texecom Veritas alarm anyway, as that is what I've got in the house. So instead of using the Hormann fob to activate the alarm I use the alarm fob to open/shut the door.
You need an Excel or an Elite (I *think*!).

Using the alarm to open the door - I don't know if that can be done - or if the Visonic fob can open the door. Needs research. At worst you'd end up with two fobs, one for the door and one for the alarm.

Of get a "cloning" fob that can do rolling codes. That'd work.

Craikeybaby

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Tuesday 19th August 2014
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I've done a bit more digging on this and I think I have 2 options:

Add a relay to the opener, which bypasses the signal from the sensor when the door opens. (Cheaper, but less secure)
Or add another reviever to work with the second button on the remote and link that to the key switch on the alarm panel to switch on/off the alarm. (More complicated, but more secure).

SVS

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270 months

Wednesday 20th August 2014
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You've got a Hormann garage door and Hormann makes an 'acoustic garage door alarm'. Thus, you could ask Hormann how easily their garage door alarm could be added.

As an alternative to the remote, Hormann also makes a 'surface mount key switch' that could add convenience.

See here for an idea of pricing.

Edited by SVS on Wednesday 20th August 22:00

Craikeybaby

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Thursday 21st August 2014
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I hadn't seen that. Hormann keep referring me to their local dealer, who are a bit rubbish at this.

The door alarm looks like it just protects the door, but I'm more concerned about the personnel door and the window, as the wain door is pretty secure.

Dog Star

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Thursday 21st August 2014
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Craikeybaby said:
I hadn't seen that. Hormann keep referring me to their local dealer, who are a bit rubbish at this.

The door alarm looks like it just protects the door, but I'm more concerned about the personnel door and the window, as the wain door is pretty secure.
I had my personnel door and window bricked up. That's how they got in.