Buying and selling a house

[Lordglenmorangie]

Why do conveyancing clerks make such a meal out of the simple act of transferring the ownership of a house to another person. We are in the electronic age every where except when dealing with property !

[GTIR]

They're all arses.

I had an estate agent bothering me for three years about selling my house then when I agree and it goes in the market he buggers off on holiday!
Then I agree a sale and the buyers bugger off on holiday, this was when I was assured that the buyers were, warning estate agent clique no.1 coming up, "really excited about the property".

I just think they are all in it to make a quick buck as another £5k on a property isn't really that much % wise. fkers the lot of them.

[Lordglenmorangie]

GTIR said:

They're all arses.

I had an estate agent bothering me for three years about selling my house then when I agree and it goes in the market he buggers off on holiday!
Then I agree a sale and the buyers bugger off on holiday, this was when I was assured that the buyers were, warning estate agent clique no.1 coming up, "really excited about the property".

I just think they are all in it to make a quick buck as another £5k on a property isn't really that much % wise. fkers the lot of them.

Agree, we are going to be nine weeks in at least for a purchase, no survey required, no borrowings , we are in rented the seller is going into rented .
When we contact our conveyancer she says she doesn't like our attitude , how dare we question the time scale, I kid you not !

[thismonkeyhere]

GTIR said:

They're all arses.

This, and then some.

Somebody (a lawyer) once told me that conveyancers are the guys and girls who came bottom of the class at law school.

In my first house purchase, 1999 I think it was, I was called 'jumped up' for daring to question why my conveyancer hadn't called me on the day that he said he would. Or the day after, or the day after, or take my call the day after that.

That was just the beginning of the st experiences with stheads who couldn't organize a woodpecker party in Epping Forest, and most of the time wouldn't even bother trying.

[GTIR]

House buying/selling is supposed to the most stressful thing you'll do.

Only because of the greedy inept cocks that are involved.

[Bluebarge]

GTIR said:

They're all arses.

I had an estate agent bothering me for three years about selling my house then when I agree and it goes in the market he buggers off on holiday!
Then I agree a sale and the buyers bugger off on holiday, this was when I was assured that the buyers were, warning estate agent clique no.1 coming up, "really excited about the property".

I just think they are all in it to make a quick buck as another £5k on a property isn't really that much % wise. fkers the lot of them.

Fancy that. People going on holiday. No doubt yours was such an important sale that he could use the fee to pay for a new holiday to replace the one he'd already booked and explain to his disappointed family why they would not be going on holiday as planned - "Sorry kids, family life is cancelled - GTIR's got a semi, and it's my job to get rid of it".

Self-centered, much?

[thismonkeyhere]

Bluebarge said:

GTIR's got a semi, and it's my job to get rid of it

Fnarr, fnarr.

[Davey S2]

Lordglenmorangie said:

Why do conveyancing clerks make such a meal out of the simple act of transferring the ownership of a house to another person. We are in the electronic age every where except when dealing with property !

Try instructing a proper property solicitor then.

People want to pay the bare minimum for conveyancing yet expect silver service.

You get what you pay for.

Estate Agents are far more deserving of peoples wrath. They take no risk, often have to do very little to move a decent property in a good market yet usually take a far bigger fee than the lawyers.

[GTIR]

Bluebarge said:

GTIR said:

They're all arses.

I had an estate agent bothering me for three years about selling my house then when I agree and it goes in the market he buggers off on holiday!
Then I agree a sale and the buyers bugger off on holiday, this was when I was assured that the buyers were, warning estate agent clique no.1 coming up, "really excited about the property".

I just think they are all in it to make a quick buck as another £5k on a property isn't really that much % wise. fkers the lot of them.

Fancy that. People going on holiday. No doubt yours was such an important sale that he could use the fee to pay for a new holiday to replace the one he'd already booked and explain to his disappointed family why they would not be going on holiday as planned - "Sorry kids, family life is cancelled - GTIR's got a semi, and it's my job to get rid of it".

Self-centered, much?

The fact he kept it from me is what I was miffed about you . I made it clear I needed a quick sale and he even said "We'll chat Monday about the viewings." Er, no we won't.

Are you an estate agent?

ETA

Play nicely now!

Edited by Big Al. on Thursday 21st August 18:47

[Fotic]

GTIR said:

The fact he kept it from me is what I was miffed about you bellend.

You sound like a lovely customer for them to have.

[GTIR]

Davey S2 said:

Try instructing a proper property solicitor then.

People want to pay the bare minimum for conveyancing yet expect silver service.

You get what you pay for.

Estate Agents are far more deserving of peoples wrath. They take no risk, often have to do very little to move a decent property in a good market yet usually take a far bigger fee than the lawyers.

My conveyancing cost a tad under £1000.

I'd hate to think what the expensive ones charge!

[thismonkeyhere]

Davey S2 said:

Estate Agents are far more deserving of peoples wrath. They take no risk, often have to do very little to move a decent property in a good market yet usually take a far bigger fee than the lawyers.

Good point, well made.

[Rude-boy]

thismonkeyhere said:

Somebody (a lawyer) once told me that conveyancers are the guys and girls who came bottom of the class at law school.

Please PM me their number so I can call them a wker personally.

Rude-boy - Conveyancing Solicitor - top 10% at law school overall, top in Conveyancing.

[thismonkeyhere]

Rude-boy said:

Please PM me their number so I can call them a wker personally.

Rude-boy - Conveyancing Solicitor - top 10% at law school overall, top in Conveyancing.

He is a wker, to be fair, but as he is making roughly four times what I am (and I'm not doing badly), he must be doing something right.

Nice work with the top 10%! (Genuinely)

[The Moose]

Davey S2 said:

Try instructing a proper property solicitor then.

People want to pay the bare minimum for conveyancing yet expect silver service.

You get what you pay for.

You certainly don't in all cases.

I've tried several expensive proper property solicitors. They all cause problems where it doesn't need to be.

Next time, I'm inclined to use the cheapest. That way I at least have a reason why I'm getting crap service.

If someone doing my purchase told me they didn't like my attitude, or that I was jumped up, they certainly wouldn't get my instruction.

Edited by The Moose on Thursday 21st August 17:43

[Rude-boy]

The Moose said:

You certainly don't.

I've tried several expensive proper property solicitors. They all cause problems where it doesn't need to be.

Next time, I'm inclined to use the cheapest. That way I at least have a reason why I'm getting crap service.

If someone doing my purchase told me they didn't like my attitude, or that I was jumped up, they certainly wouldn't get my instruction.

Are these problems that are an inconvenience to you or real ones that you don't care about but which your solicitor, who is also acting for the lender, has explained that they have to deal with to satisfy the CML?

If you have any doubt as to the amount of things we have to deal with and consider please Google CML Handbook and then select England and Wales and pick any lender you like. And that is just a part of the job.

Not having a mortgage? Fine, in that case you will not mind signing a letter to you explaining that the Property has been bought in accordance with your instructions and is not CM<L compliant so don't come crying to me when you sell and have to fund £500+ of Indemnity Insurance.

Honestly I treat all my clients differently. This week one has been addressed as "Your Lordship" and another has been called a "tight fisted bd" both are regulars and I have a great relationship with them both. Each however (despite being worth about the same all cashed in!) require a very different style of client handling.

Remember it is always very easy to criticise what you don't understand. I mean I have no idea why our IT support can't seem to get three simple pieces of software to talk to each other properly and work on the server. They have had unfettered access for the last few years, spec'd the systems and were all but given a blank cheque...

[The Moose]

Rude-boy said:

The Moose said:

You certainly don't.

I've tried several expensive proper property solicitors. They all cause problems where it doesn't need to be.

Next time, I'm inclined to use the cheapest. That way I at least have a reason why I'm getting crap service.

If someone doing my purchase told me they didn't like my attitude, or that I was jumped up, they certainly wouldn't get my instruction.

Are these problems that are an inconvenience to you or real ones that you don't care about but which your solicitor, who is also acting for the lender, has explained that they have to deal with to satisfy the CML?

If you have any doubt as to the amount of things we have to deal with and consider please Google CML Handbook and then select England and Wales and pick any lender you like. And that is just a part of the job.

Not having a mortgage? Fine, in that case you will not mind signing a letter to you explaining that the Property has been bought in accordance with your instructions and is not CM<L compliant so don't come crying to me when you sell and have to fund £500+ of Indemnity Insurance.

Honestly I treat all my clients differently. This week one has been addressed as "Your Lordship" and another has been called a "tight fisted bd" both are regulars and I have a great relationship with them both. Each however (despite being worth about the same all cashed in!) require a very different style of client handling.

Remember it is always very easy to criticise what you don't understand. I mean I have no idea why our IT support can't seem to get three simple pieces of software to talk to each other properly and work on the server. They have had unfettered access for the last few years, spec'd the systems and were all but given a blank cheque...

As far as I know you're unaware of the level of my understanding of the process so it does seem foolish to presume I know nothing about anything. I'm also not going to bother going into the fine details on a public forum of the issues I've had - suffice it to say, just because the bill will be big, doesn't mean a quality service.

Oh and of course there's nothing wrong with calling your customer a tight fisted bd as long as it's done in the right way and you have a relationship. The chap whose solicitor said that he's jumped up obviously didn't have that relationship, hence it wasn't on.

[Rude-boy]

The Moose said:

As far as I know you're unaware of the level of my understanding of the process so it does seem foolish to presume I know nothing about anything. I'm also not going to bother going into the fine details on a public forum of the issues I've had - suffice it to say, just because the bill will be big, doesn't mean a quality service.

Oh and of course there's nothing wrong with calling your customer a tight fisted bd as long as it's done in the right way and you have a relationship. The chap whose solicitor said that he's jumped up obviously didn't have that relationship, hence it wasn't on.

You are right, I have no idea of your level of understanding of the complexities, hence why I asked if they were your issues or CML ones. The 2 line education was in case you didn't understand.

I do agree that you don't always get what you pay for. IME it is usually best to hit the middle ground than the top or bottom, and certainly I have seen so very high ticket solicitors come very unstuck. I have also seen them make problems where there are none in reality, only in an esoteric part of legislation which would require black turning to white levels of issues to make even vaguely a possible issue. I have also seen bucket shops miss blindingly obvious title issues without a murmur.

Perhaps the best way to look at it is to talk to the person who is going to do your work. If you can't talk to them directly it quite likely you are going to get ripped off one way or the other! People deal with people and many forget that, looking at conveyancing as a product, which is what Tesco et al want you to do...

There are good and bad in all walks but don't tar them all with the same brush.

Edited by Rude-boy on Thursday 21st August 23:33

[GTIR]

Fotic said:

GTIR said:

The fact he kept it from me is what I was miffed about you bellend.

You sound like a lovely customer for them to have.

You outrageous flirt!

[Lordglenmorangie]

Davey S2 said:

Lordglenmorangie said:

Why do conveyancing clerks make such a meal out of the simple act of transferring the ownership of a house to another person. We are in the electronic age every where except when dealing with property !

Try instructing a proper property solicitor then.

People want to pay the bare minimum for conveyancing yet expect silver service.

You get what you pay for.

Estate Agents are far more deserving of peoples wrath. They take no risk, often have to do very little to move a decent property in a good market yet usually take a far bigger fee than the lawyers.

You do not get what you pay for