Pay as you go energy meter for a nightmare tenant?
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Rent two bed property and npower dual energy bill is predicted as being 2k a year so they're asking for £200 a month (for four months I've got a bill for circa £800). The idiot that I am (perhaps on a par with the tenant) I agreed the energy bill to be inclusive.
So the tenant's solution is :
1) To stop moaning.
2) Npower is ripping me off (I took the meter readings before he moved in and yesterday, used a comparison site for the cheapest provider).
3) To get a women if I want someone to moan at.
4) To F off.
This guy takes malicious behaviour to levels not experienced, in addition his brain is functioning on the level of a farm yard animal (thats possibly being generous also offensive to farm yard animals, apologies).
You should've seen this guy when I agreed to rent to him, the perfect tenant, would've done anything for me. So I can't evict him because he'd bring hell down on my life and I don't want to make anyone homeless.
Anyway for the next year of housing this fool I was thinking I should get a pay as you go meter and let him pay the bill. He seems to think a pay as you go meter for someone on low income will be at a more favourable rate than what I'm paying from comparing prices, is this correct?
So the tenant's solution is :
1) To stop moaning.
2) Npower is ripping me off (I took the meter readings before he moved in and yesterday, used a comparison site for the cheapest provider).
3) To get a women if I want someone to moan at.
4) To F off.
This guy takes malicious behaviour to levels not experienced, in addition his brain is functioning on the level of a farm yard animal (thats possibly being generous also offensive to farm yard animals, apologies).
You should've seen this guy when I agreed to rent to him, the perfect tenant, would've done anything for me. So I can't evict him because he'd bring hell down on my life and I don't want to make anyone homeless.
Anyway for the next year of housing this fool I was thinking I should get a pay as you go meter and let him pay the bill. He seems to think a pay as you go meter for someone on low income will be at a more favourable rate than what I'm paying from comparing prices, is this correct?
To clarify;
You own a property and have the energy bills in your name.
You rented the property to someone at a rate inclusive of their energy bills.
Tenant is running up huge bills and you want a 'get-out'.
If you are paying the bills, not the tenant, why is the tenant moaning?
Surely, installing a pre-payment meter would make it much harder for you to pay the energy bills as agreed in the tenancy agreement?
You own a property and have the energy bills in your name.
You rented the property to someone at a rate inclusive of their energy bills.
Tenant is running up huge bills and you want a 'get-out'.
If you are paying the bills, not the tenant, why is the tenant moaning?
Surely, installing a pre-payment meter would make it much harder for you to pay the energy bills as agreed in the tenancy agreement?
Edited by Xerstead on Saturday 27th September 19:22
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k me £200 per month on a two bed property; I live in a two bed house, my monthlies combined for gas and electric are on average about £70 in the winter and £40 in the summer, the wife works part time and the daughter is in and out.
Your tenant must be whaking everything on and leaving it on and is seriously taking the piss.
k me £200 per month on a two bed property; I live in a two bed house, my monthlies combined for gas and electric are on average about £70 in the winter and £40 in the summer, the wife works part time and the daughter is in and out. Your tenant must be whaking everything on and leaving it on and is seriously taking the piss.
Xerstead said:
To clarify;
You own a property and have the energy bills in your name.
You rented the property to someone at a rate inclusive of their energy bills.
Tenant is running up huge bills and you want a 'get-out'.
If you are paying the bills, not the tenant, why is the tenant moaning?
Surely, installing a pre-payment meter would make it much harder for you to pay the energy bills as agreed in the tenancy agreement?
new tenant time?You own a property and have the energy bills in your name.
You rented the property to someone at a rate inclusive of their energy bills.
Tenant is running up huge bills and you want a 'get-out'.
If you are paying the bills, not the tenant, why is the tenant moaning?
Surely, installing a pre-payment meter would make it much harder for you to pay the energy bills as agreed in the tenancy agreement?
Edited by Xerstead on Saturday 27th September 19:22
Xerstead said:
To clarify;
You own a property and have the energy bills in your name.
You rented the property to someone at a rate inclusive of their energy bills.
Tenant is running up huge bills and you want a 'get-out'.
If you are paying the bills, not the tenant, why is the tenant moaning?
Surely, installing a pre-payment meter would make it much harder for you to pay the energy bills as agreed in the tenancy agreement?
I'm the one moaning lol, tenant told me to stop moaning and F OFF.You own a property and have the energy bills in your name.
You rented the property to someone at a rate inclusive of their energy bills.
Tenant is running up huge bills and you want a 'get-out'.
If you are paying the bills, not the tenant, why is the tenant moaning?
Surely, installing a pre-payment meter would make it much harder for you to pay the energy bills as agreed in the tenancy agreement?
Edited by Xerstead on Saturday 27th September 19:22
I don't know what he's doing to use so much electric (gas use seems okay). I'm thinking I should get an electrician in to check the place over.
Tenancy agreement is only 1 year, next year will amend it so tenant pays bills but tenant wants a pre-pay meter.
Always a bad idea to include gas and electric in the rental agreement, they will not care one bit about turning off lights or turning heating down, much like on an all inclusive holiday you gorge on free food and drink until you burst at the seams.
I would get rid, call it a lesson learnt and let it without bills.
Also pre payment meters are always always more expensive.
I would get rid, call it a lesson learnt and let it without bills.
Also pre payment meters are always always more expensive.
£200 per month is mental.
We pay £175 (recently gone up from £130) and there are 4 of us in a good sized 4 bed detached house. It was built in the 60's and has the original boiler, so not exactly efficient.
There are never less than 2 TV's running (sometimes 4 TV's and 2 sky boxes) when the house is occupied. We have a pond pump and filters running 24x7 and we have loads of other kit on all the time. Our showers are electric even though we're heating a tank of water twice a day.
Your bills should be no more than £100
We pay £175 (recently gone up from £130) and there are 4 of us in a good sized 4 bed detached house. It was built in the 60's and has the original boiler, so not exactly efficient.
There are never less than 2 TV's running (sometimes 4 TV's and 2 sky boxes) when the house is occupied. We have a pond pump and filters running 24x7 and we have loads of other kit on all the time. Our showers are electric even though we're heating a tank of water twice a day.
Your bills should be no more than £100
Once you get out of your legal obligation to pay his energy bills (which I guess you can't do until the end of the tennancy, unless there's a "fair use" clause in there) then it's irrelevant whether you put a Prepay meter in or not.
What you need to do is get an up to date reading and then get your account closed, NPower will open a new one in the tennants name, prepay meters are irrelevant. The problem you seem to have is that this would put you in breach of the tenancy agreement?
What you need to do is get an up to date reading and then get your account closed, NPower will open a new one in the tennants name, prepay meters are irrelevant. The problem you seem to have is that this would put you in breach of the tenancy agreement?
Faulty meters were about 1 in 100 in my experience (and I mean of the ones that people thought were faulty, it's much less common if looked at as a proportion of all meters). It's incredibly unlikely. Far more likely that there is a faulty appliance (e.g. an immersion running all the time).
However, it's not impossible. So, easy answer here is get the supplier to run an accuracy check, they'll probably charge if no fault is found though.
However, it's not impossible. So, easy answer here is get the supplier to run an accuracy check, they'll probably charge if no fault is found though.
There is definitely something amiss... I live in a 6 bed shared house, we all have TVs and three of us use gaming pcs. Coupled with the fact that the washing machine probably does 10-12 loads a week, the oven is on for 2-3 hours every night etc... Our gas/electric bills are just under £200 a month... 
£200/month sounds like a rip-off but ours isn’t much less. Our winter quarter bill was £720 and our summer quarter bill, which we’ve just received, was £170, so the difference is £550 (or £183.33 per month) and that’s all basically down to having the heating on. Unlike the OP’s tenant we always use the heating very sparingly. We live in a small, modern, two-bed property so it really shouldn’t be so expensive but I guess it’s down the crappy electric heaters and as we’re renting there’s nothing we can do about those.
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