Wood pellets or oil, ufh or rads
Discussion
RedLeicester said:
I don't get the "emerging" or "new" technology thing. Domestic Biomass log/pellet boilers have been around for 20-30 years, just not in this country, and farm log boilers have been around in this country for years too. It's a well established technology hence why things have moved from a bunch of logs in a cast iron shell to log gasification systems, lambda sensors, ceramic ignition, automatic ignition, self-cleaning, self-dousing, network connectivity, multi-zone and multi-thermostat systems and so on. Yes there are only so many ways you can burn wood, but there are a hell of a lot of efficiencies in the process and manner in which it is done. It's a bit like saying a gas boiler is just a gas boiler, yes and no. As I mentioned before, I nearly died laughing when the manufacturer of mine sent out an engineer to run a firmware update!
District / commercial systems are fairly widespread too (our local council built new offices a couple of years back which are all log chip fed, one boiler for multiple buildings) and again overseas it's common for entire housing estates to have centralised heating. In 2006, over 10% of Austria's heating was biomass, Lech ski resort is heated by biomass too and it's a similar story in Scandinavia, though ironically they actually import a lot of their wood. As always, the UK is late to the party. The grants/incentives certainly help and lessen the pain, but as my earlier calculations showed, even without them the savings are colossal in the right circumstances. There are certainly some new an interesting companies on the market, along with an awful lot of dross too. We narrowed ourselves down to the Finnish / Austrian makes who have been at this game for decades so have a long proven track record and seemed to know what they were about.
Jason - may be worth having a chat with Euroheat who are the UK importer for SHT and HDG, two of the big Teutonic brands.
I will do, thanks.District / commercial systems are fairly widespread too (our local council built new offices a couple of years back which are all log chip fed, one boiler for multiple buildings) and again overseas it's common for entire housing estates to have centralised heating. In 2006, over 10% of Austria's heating was biomass, Lech ski resort is heated by biomass too and it's a similar story in Scandinavia, though ironically they actually import a lot of their wood. As always, the UK is late to the party. The grants/incentives certainly help and lessen the pain, but as my earlier calculations showed, even without them the savings are colossal in the right circumstances. There are certainly some new an interesting companies on the market, along with an awful lot of dross too. We narrowed ourselves down to the Finnish / Austrian makes who have been at this game for decades so have a long proven track record and seemed to know what they were about.
Jason - may be worth having a chat with Euroheat who are the UK importer for SHT and HDG, two of the big Teutonic brands.
I'm only looking at German, Swiss etc.
jason61c said:
Yes, treco have started supplying the Effecta biomass boilers for that reason, as a move into the domestic market with a proven boiler, I've googled it till i'm blue in the face and it puts them in the top 4 with windhager/froling etc etc.
did you go for a buffer/accumulator tank also?
Yes, its a Range Tribute HE 180ltr, with 2 small expansion tanks on the wall - one white and one looks like a bell end. Only 2 of us, only having showers, and plenty of hot water. The water timer is on an hour in the morning and 3/4 hour at night so it can't lose much heat over the 24 hours.did you go for a buffer/accumulator tank also?
FFG
jason61c said:
Awesome, just had this confirmed too The best £150 I've spent. Ever!
I'm currently doing some walls in lime hemp at the minute, its good stuff but does take an age to dry. I do plan on putting something breathable on the inside like yourself on the exposed walls.
Just waiting on some people coming round to give fixed quotes, looking at Froling/Effecta/hoval/ETA. I'd like something that will outlast the 7 year RHI.
I'm quite excited
Any decisions made yet?I'm currently doing some walls in lime hemp at the minute, its good stuff but does take an age to dry. I do plan on putting something breathable on the inside like yourself on the exposed walls.
Just waiting on some people coming round to give fixed quotes, looking at Froling/Effecta/hoval/ETA. I'd like something that will outlast the 7 year RHI.
I'm quite excited
TimJMS said:
CK11 said:
Making oil very attractive at the moment for sure
Even though I suggested oil, don't let current prices sway you. The Saudi's and their ilk are happily pumping at cost purely as spoiling tactics to discourage fracking and renewables. It wont last.all that said, even if the Saudi's shut off all their production today, demand is just not that high and they don't control enough % of production to control the market like they used to.
CK11 said:
jason61c said:
Awesome, just had this confirmed too The best £150 I've spent. Ever!
I'm currently doing some walls in lime hemp at the minute, its good stuff but does take an age to dry. I do plan on putting something breathable on the inside like yourself on the exposed walls.
Just waiting on some people coming round to give fixed quotes, looking at Froling/Effecta/hoval/ETA. I'd like something that will outlast the 7 year RHI.
I'm quite excited
Any decisions made yet?I'm currently doing some walls in lime hemp at the minute, its good stuff but does take an age to dry. I do plan on putting something breathable on the inside like yourself on the exposed walls.
Just waiting on some people coming round to give fixed quotes, looking at Froling/Effecta/hoval/ETA. I'd like something that will outlast the 7 year RHI.
I'm quite excited
yes, it arrives tomorrow, Going for an Effecta.
http://www.rainbowheatandpower.co.uk/products/abou...
I'm going to do a bit of a 'build/install' thread I'm genuinely excited about tomorrow!
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