Plaster vs Lining Paper

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poocherama

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396 posts

208 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Hi there,

I've just had a house entirely re plastered/skimmed (we went back to the brickwork) and we'll soon be ready to paint. I'd be grateful for some advice on painting straight onto the new walls vs lining them first? I'll save some £'s by not lining but I more concerned about finish and durability.

Any advice welcome.

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TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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As long as the plaster is 100% silky smooth with no little pockmarks or "cellulite" type dimples you can paint straight on it. You can get very find sanding paper for plaster, which you can use along with some gypsum filler if you find any imperfections in the plaster.

Use diluted paint for the first coat, like 10-30% water, and it'll help soak the paint into the plaster and give a good surface for the proper paint to stick to. You may find you need 1 coat of the water paint and 2-3 coats of proper paint to cover the plaster.

Lining paper will cover any imperfections in the plaster, but suffers from the same problem any wallpaper will have which is the joins, although only really apparent with white or very light colours.


Stu R

21,410 posts

214 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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If it's done well, I don't see any reason to use lining paper.

poocherama

Original Poster:

396 posts

208 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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TheAllSeeingPie said:
As long as the plaster is 100% silky smooth with no little pockmarks or "cellulite" type dimples you can paint straight on it. You can get very find sanding paper for plaster, which you can use along with some gypsum filler if you find any imperfections in the plaster.

Use diluted paint for the first coat, like 10-30% water, and it'll help soak the paint into the plaster and give a good surface for the proper paint to stick to. You may find you need 1 coat of the water paint and 2-3 coats of proper paint to cover the plaster.

Lining paper will cover any imperfections in the plaster, but suffers from the same problem any wallpaper will have which is the joins, although only really apparent with white or very light colours.
Thank you. Does that mean painting onto plaster would require more coats of paint vs lining? I'm just trying to get a handle on costs, lining will set me back £10k so if I can avoid it whist still maintaining a quality finish I will!

poocherama

Original Poster:

396 posts

208 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Stu R said:
If it's done well, I don't see any reason to use lining paper.
I have to say it almost seems a shame to cover it up, the finish really is very good.

wolfracesonic

6,940 posts

126 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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poocherama said:
Thank you. Does that mean painting onto plaster would require more coats of paint vs lining? I'm just trying to get a handle on costs, lining will set me back £10k so if I can avoid it whist still maintaining a quality finish I will!
Lining paper will set you back £10k eek Where do you live Pooch, Chatsworth? The plaster shouldn't need lining if it's a decent job BTW. Lining paper is usually used to cover up less than perfect walls.

Stu R

21,410 posts

214 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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poocherama said:
Stu R said:
If it's done well, I don't see any reason to use lining paper.
I have to say it almost seems a shame to cover it up, the finish really is very good.
In that case there's no 'almost' about it, get some paint on and enjoy smile

Little Lofty

3,275 posts

150 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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£10k for lining paper yikes, how much was the plastering? You must have some size house.
New plaster can be easily covered with two coats of good quality matt emulsion, don't go overboard as new plaster will sometimes crack/shrink a little, so it may need repaintimg after 6 months or so.

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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poocherama said:
Thank you. Does that mean painting onto plaster would require more coats of paint vs lining? I'm just trying to get a handle on costs, lining will set me back £10k so if I can avoid it whist still maintaining a quality finish I will!
You'll basically need 1 more coat if you are using paint vs lining paper. There is just a bit more double checking and potential filling / sanding if you go the paint route. For the first watered down coat you just use the largest cheapest bucket of white emulsion you can. It's there to get something for the paint to stick to and prevent the finish paint from soaking into the plaster.

guindilias

5,245 posts

119 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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I always put up a layer of heavy lining paper on plaster before painting - to me it just makes the room sound and feel a bit "warmer". Maybe I'm just a freak. And it goes on like lightning!

B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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There should be no reason on earth to put lining paper on a freshly plastered wall assuming the job has been done well.

A mist coat followed by a couple of coats of your chosen emulsion and it should look superb.

If I returned to a clients house and saw that they'd covered up my work with lining paper I'd feel quite put out.

And £10k for lining paper?

Edited by B17NNS on Monday 26th January 16:35

poocherama

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396 posts

208 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Thanks all for your reply's.

What about hairline cracks? I've seen friends newly plastered houses develop cracks in the first few months, is this poor workmanship?

Yes £10k is a lot but we've a fair amount of wall to line! Think I'll go down the paint on plaster route,seems to makes sense all round.


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Edited by poocherama on Monday 26th January 16:53

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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£10k would buy about 25,000 sq/m of lining paper! A good size 3 bed house would only use 500 sq/m max, what size house are you doing this to? smile

roofer

5,136 posts

210 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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I'd want Buck House lined for 10k. Doth your decorator taketh the pith ?

B17NNS

18,506 posts

246 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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poocherama said:
Yes £10k is a lot but we've a fair amount of wall to line!
You are having a turkish right? How big exactly is this hotel?

steveo3002

10,493 posts

173 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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no way id use paper , instead of any plaster defects you will have the paper joins and bubbles to worry about , then as time goes on edges will peel and it will get bits knocked out of it

id look at the spraying systems if you have mountains of walls to paint

blue bear

23 posts

117 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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poocherama said:
Hi there,

I've just had a house entirely re plastered/skimmed (we went back to the brickwork) and we'll soon be ready to paint. I'd be grateful for some advice on painting straight onto the new walls vs lining them first? I'll save some £'s by not lining but I more concerned about finish and durability.

Any advice welcome.

P
Pm me for correct instructions to finish in emulsion

poocherama

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396 posts

208 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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B17NNS said:
You are having a turkish right? How big exactly is this hotel?
Not huge, I do however pay a massive postcode premium. Out of interest what would you charge to line a wall £/sq mt?

Spudler

3,985 posts

195 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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blue bear said:
Pm me for correct instructions to finish in emulsion
Why don't you share your secret on here so others may benifit?

Squiggs

1,520 posts

154 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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poocherama said:
B17NNS said:
You are having a turkish right? How big exactly is this hotel?
Not huge, I do however pay a massive postcode premium ......
The only postcode I know where a 'not huge house' would cost £10k to be lined with paper would be something like TH3 M00N