Rural Broadband
Discussion
worth reading the goverment doc's on this:
https://www.gov.uk/broadband-delivery-uk
The idea was OK, the issues are that each county are doing their own interpretation of the programme, and that process is wide open to some questionable practices.
Because of competition rules, government money can't be used to subsidise where there are commercial services, which is fine, BUT!
some councils have viewed commercial services as being when somebody makes a vague statement about their future plans to cover an area, thus effectively ruling said area out of BDUK.
this is what happened here (Northamptonshire), a supplier suggested they would roll out services, so NCC walked away, the problem then is that we (as in the villages concerned) were left with nothing.
Said company started doing presentations for their services, but having scuppered BDUK, you can imagine the offer, (quite apart from the technical challenges etc).
Here, we (as a village) had to go to Openreach ourselves and negotiate the costs for them to run FTTC to the village, (much as NCC would have done to come up with the funding gap), and have now paid them to install FTTC (from money raised by the village), this get's installed in March.
As you can imagine, we are less than impressed that we were basically forced down this route because of the game-playing by others, in the next village (under 2 miles down the road), they are getting FTTC paid for from BDUK because Leicestershire CC did not fall for the scam and included them in their BDUK roll out plans.
(you can probably tell I am still a bit bitter at the whole saga!)
https://www.gov.uk/broadband-delivery-uk
The idea was OK, the issues are that each county are doing their own interpretation of the programme, and that process is wide open to some questionable practices.
Because of competition rules, government money can't be used to subsidise where there are commercial services, which is fine, BUT!
some councils have viewed commercial services as being when somebody makes a vague statement about their future plans to cover an area, thus effectively ruling said area out of BDUK.
this is what happened here (Northamptonshire), a supplier suggested they would roll out services, so NCC walked away, the problem then is that we (as in the villages concerned) were left with nothing.
Said company started doing presentations for their services, but having scuppered BDUK, you can imagine the offer, (quite apart from the technical challenges etc).
Here, we (as a village) had to go to Openreach ourselves and negotiate the costs for them to run FTTC to the village, (much as NCC would have done to come up with the funding gap), and have now paid them to install FTTC (from money raised by the village), this get's installed in March.
As you can imagine, we are less than impressed that we were basically forced down this route because of the game-playing by others, in the next village (under 2 miles down the road), they are getting FTTC paid for from BDUK because Leicestershire CC did not fall for the scam and included them in their BDUK roll out plans.
(you can probably tell I am still a bit bitter at the whole saga!)
I'll jump aboard. This sums up my experiences
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Basically an unuseable 0.3MB at any time, apart from when I download a torrent, which goes flat out and still gives me 0.3MB download on everything else.
Fibre is in the next few villages and we're at the last stage, otherwise I'd consider satellite internet. No signal, let alone a data signal. Very annoyingly though, on all of the walks I do, I seem to get 3G/4G most of the time in the midddle of no where.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Basically an unuseable 0.3MB at any time, apart from when I download a torrent, which goes flat out and still gives me 0.3MB download on everything else.
Fibre is in the next few villages and we're at the last stage, otherwise I'd consider satellite internet. No signal, let alone a data signal. Very annoyingly though, on all of the walks I do, I seem to get 3G/4G most of the time in the midddle of no where.
juice said:
Poor devils. Public sector, you factor in the fact that they are congenitally unable to make a decision. Obviously they got lucky - this time 
juice said:
Complete joke, public sector so use to being over budget....Had 0.28 to 0.33 speeds, we constantly grumbled to BT,. They sent us an 'accelerator ' device to fit in the phone wall point, it made no noticeable difference. More grumbling to BT, an engineer arrived and fiddled for a bit, off he went. No noticeable difference.
2 more 'engineers' came and fiddled, no noticeable difference. Lots of grumbling to BT, another engineer arrives. This one says, ' no problem, there's 2 lines into your village and you're on the slow one. I'll change you over to the faster line.'
A few hours later we have speeds of 1.5 to 1.8megs. Devices work, HooferkinRay !!!
Seems that they can provide a service that works, even if still poor, but it really shouldn't take months and months of incessant whinging . Why oh Why didn't the first THREE 'engineers' know how to fix the problem
All in all a shoddy service from BT.
But on the upside we can now use Netflix ! A whole new world as opened .
2 more 'engineers' came and fiddled, no noticeable difference. Lots of grumbling to BT, another engineer arrives. This one says, ' no problem, there's 2 lines into your village and you're on the slow one. I'll change you over to the faster line.'
A few hours later we have speeds of 1.5 to 1.8megs. Devices work, HooferkinRay !!!
Seems that they can provide a service that works, even if still poor, but it really shouldn't take months and months of incessant whinging . Why oh Why didn't the first THREE 'engineers' know how to fix the problem
All in all a shoddy service from BT.
But on the upside we can now use Netflix ! A whole new world as opened .
DH01 said:
Had 0.28 to 0.33 speeds, we constantly grumbled to BT,. They sent us an 'accelerator ' device to fit in the phone wall point, it made no noticeable difference. More grumbling to BT, an engineer arrived and fiddled for a bit, off he went. No noticeable difference.
2 more 'engineers' came and fiddled, no noticeable difference. Lots of grumbling to BT, another engineer arrives. This one says, ' no problem, there's 2 lines into your village and you're on the slow one. I'll change you over to the faster line.'
A few hours later we have speeds of 1.5 to 1.8megs. Devices work, HooferkinRay !!!
Seems that they can provide a service that works, even if still poor, but it really shouldn't take months and months of incessant whinging . Why oh Why didn't the first THREE 'engineers' know how to fix the problem
All in all a shoddy service from BT.
But on the upside we can now use Netflix ! A whole new world as opened .
Pretty much the same issue as we had with BT before we went fibre. Our third engineer connected our phone line to someone else's house and we were getting all their calls for a week though!2 more 'engineers' came and fiddled, no noticeable difference. Lots of grumbling to BT, another engineer arrives. This one says, ' no problem, there's 2 lines into your village and you're on the slow one. I'll change you over to the faster line.'
A few hours later we have speeds of 1.5 to 1.8megs. Devices work, HooferkinRay !!!
Seems that they can provide a service that works, even if still poor, but it really shouldn't take months and months of incessant whinging . Why oh Why didn't the first THREE 'engineers' know how to fix the problem
All in all a shoddy service from BT.
But on the upside we can now use Netflix ! A whole new world as opened .
parakitaMol. said:
Wouldn't be so bad if BT didn't plaster the nearest junction box with 'SUPERFAST IS HERE' and then not connect it to our house for 4 years... (constantly moving the date forward every 6 months).
i hate BT and all their lies
OK, I am not a BT fan, but you're going to have to explain that one?i hate BT and all their lies
if the box is there with a sticker on it, then it's in service?
why can't you get a connection? only reason I can think of is it's over-subscribed and they need another cab?
Who exactly is telling you this? your ISP?
Scuffers, that's not true. It's been activated an providing a heslthy service to all our neighbours (bar 3 roads) for 4 years. During that time the 3 roads who have not been connected have repeatedly contacted BT who bump the date in 6 month blocks - we even tried to have a second connection put in so my husband can run his business - BT quoted £1000 because of our drive length. So we have 2 dongles to supplement out diabolical service.
Annoyingly I am moving to a new house with exactly the same situation - activated box but no date for connection. At least the house is on the road so we can have 2 lines providing 8mb each.
To answer your question - BT is our ISP
Annoyingly I am moving to a new house with exactly the same situation - activated box but no date for connection. At least the house is on the road so we can have 2 lines providing 8mb each.
To answer your question - BT is our ISP
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Not suggesting youre wrong, but there has to be more to it than that?
Just how far away from the old distribution cabinet are you, and how far are you off the (public) road?
Not suggesting youre wrong, but there has to be more to it than that?
- if* they have an FTTC cab alongside the old distribution cab that serves your house, then you should have *some* service available?
Just how far away from the old distribution cabinet are you, and how far are you off the (public) road?
Scuffers said:
if the cab is 'full' (as in every cct used, they will just expand it (or add another cab).
You might think that, but it's not always that simple. In the week, I live within 5 mins of Canary Wharf, but cannot get FTTC from BT. The problem? Cabinet is too full and there's no space to run fibre to it / they can't find another suitable position to put a new cabinet. So far we've been waiting two years for them to resolve this - with them pushing the date out three to six months at a time as it drags on. Fortunately Hyperoptic have reached agreement to bring their service to the building my flat is in - so at least there's some hope.Up in Shropshire we have no more luck. Local area served by three cabinets. We are on the furthest cabinet from the exchange, and approximately 6.5km from that cabinet. Meaning that Connecting Shropshire have decided it would be uneconomic (they say £0.5m) to bring FTTC (for about 300 homes). Now investigating whether the local wireless broadband provider can get line of sight into our valley (as we don't even have 2G, let alone 3/4G mobile signal). If not, we could be stuck with <1Mb for some time.
tokyo_mb said:
You might think that, but it's not always that simple. In the week, I live within 5 mins of Canary Wharf, but cannot get FTTC from BT. The problem? Cabinet is too full and there's no space to run fibre to it / they can't find another suitable position to put a new cabinet. So far we've been waiting two years for them to resolve this - with them pushing the date out three to six months at a time as it drags on. Fortunately Hyperoptic have reached agreement to bring their service to the building my flat is in - so at least there's some hope.
that shoulds like a building management problem to me?tokyo_mb said:
Up in Shropshire we have no more luck. Local area served by three cabinets. We are on the furthest cabinet from the exchange, and approximately 6.5km from that cabinet. Meaning that Connecting Shropshire have decided it would be uneconomic (they say £0.5m) to bring FTTC (for about 300 homes). Now investigating whether the local wireless broadband provider can get line of sight into our valley (as we don't even have 2G, let alone 3/4G mobile signal). If not, we could be stuck with <1Mb for some time.
Welcome to rural england!Same deal here, this is what BDUK programme is supposed to be covering - problem is it;s managed by local authority, so is somewhat hit and miss.
As a side, is this house on it's own? 6.5Km from a cab is highly unusual?
(PS. I'm really no fan of BT...)
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